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Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by CryZe »

vetinari wrote: post #194
floatboth wrote: post #157

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This looks like a list of processors they *approve for OEMs* that build *new* computers with Windows pre-installed. Everyone is acting completely ridiculously thinking that there will be actual cpuid checks.

> The specification defines the Windows minimum hardware requirements necessary to: > Boot and run Windows > Update and service Windows > Provide a baseline user experience that is comparable with similar devices and computers It says nowhere that it is for OEMs, this is not the Windows Logo program which is for OEMs; and in fact, some of the CPUs mentioned are not on the market anymore.

The equivalent list for Windows 10 is missing many CPUs that run Windows 10 just fine... so yeah I don't think this list means anything for the actual consumer.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by mixedCase »

Havoc wrote: post #228
advael wrote: post #210

I will once again register my hope that this causes at least a significant portion of windows subscribers to consider non-proprietary alternatives. Linux distros are fundamentally more useful computer systems, open source communities have done dizzying amounts of work to produce mostly-working interop with windows-exclusive software, as well as numerous FOSS alternatives to popular products. I'm not going to lie and…

> Linux distros are fundamentally more useful computer systems Last I checked I can’t play 1080p Netflix on them so I’d say the above is questionable for the average user. Big fan too but the year of the Linux desktop is still a way off

The average user won't notice the difference in a laptop screen unless told. What's more, they won't be using a laptop (let alone desktops) on the first place, they'll use a smart TV or TV stick.

For whatever it's worth, they don't support it on Windows for most of the users who do watch it there, since you need to use Edge or the Windows Store App on a 7th gen Intel CPU on an HDCP 2.2 compliant setup, and I'm pretty sure most people watching Netflix on the desktop don't check all of those boxes.

I for one bought a Fire TV Cube as solution. But I've also managed to watch Netflix 4k content on my Linux laptop with less effort than it takes an average user to determine if their computer can run Netflix 4k on Windows, don't ask me how.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

Todd wrote: post #57

Microsoft is late to the party here. This has been core to Apple's business model for years. Here's an example of OS support for the MacBook Air: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Air#Supported_macOS_re... The arbitrary cadence of abandonment is amazingly consistent and has no basis in hardware capabilities.

You forgot that every MacOS release gets 2-3 years of security updates after the next version comes out. So just because you can't update to the next release doesn't mean you are unsupported yet.

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Post by x0x0 »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #191
ChrisSD wrote: post #187

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Fun fact: the Surface Studio 2 is fully supported until October 2, 2024 with no need to replace the OS! Not bad for a niche device released in 2018.

Selling an extremely expensive piece of hardware while acknowledging that you intend on making it obsolete in 4 years time, for arbitrary reasons sounds pretty bad to me. And who cares if it's niche.

That's kind of every single android phone on the market though. If security updates matter.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by mixedCase »

kyrra wrote: post #256
advael wrote: post #210

I will once again register my hope that this causes at least a significant portion of windows subscribers to consider non-proprietary alternatives. Linux distros are fundamentally more useful computer systems, open source communities have done dizzying amounts of work to produce mostly-working interop with windows-exclusive software, as well as numerous FOSS alternatives to popular products. I'm not going to lie and…

PC Gaming is still windows main advantage. There is wine, but how does it compare for performance? Plus Nvidia's drivers are still a mixed bag?

Nvidia drivers have never been a mixed bag when it comes to performance or stability, they only lag in feature support for things such as Wayland compared to upstream drivers like AMD's or Intel's. Being an out-of-tree driver also means that your distro must give special support to it.

Performance will depend on the title, there will be some 5-10% average loss in performance for titles running in DXVK (DirectX to Vulkan translation layer). Vulkan titles should see no difference, and Doom famously runs better under Wine than natively.

Here are a few comparisons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE5WyObAFtk

The biggest problem with Linux gaming with Wine nowadays is just lack of support for games that depend on rootkits or other such malware to run, like some forms of client-side anticheat that run in-kernel, but there's been a lot of progress in that front. You might've seen the Roblox news that hit front page a couple of days ago IIRC; and some people have been able to temporarily get anti-cheats like EAC to run, until an update changes something and the pile of hacks fall apart.

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Post by g051051 »

supernovae wrote: post #257
g051051 wrote: post #105

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I just noticed that my Threadripper 1950x isn't "supported". Completely ludicrous. I'd love to see the technical justification for that.

TPM 2.0 isn't supported on your chipset.

Yes it is. It's enabled in the firmware (fTPM) and shows TPM 2.0 available in the tpm.msc snap-in.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by ineedasername »

Most consumers don't purchase OS updates. Consumer licenses for Windows are miniscule, so very few people will buy a new computer just to get Windows 11.

Corporations may upgrade more regularly, but if they have to buy new hardware to do it then they will probably just wait until their next hardware upgrade cycle. That may achieve the opposite of what the author fears.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by roody15 »

“ Requiring TPM 1.2 is sort of reasonable I guess. But TPM 2.0. You've got to be kidding me.”

I disagree here. There is no reason (IMO) to require TPM for home machines or gamer/enthusiasts.

Microsoft should instead fully support TPM 1.2 and 2.x so that in work/enterprise situations can fully utilize TPM when/if needed.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by voldacar »

recursive wrote: post #204
bruce343434 wrote: post #186

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Perhaps, because win7 is known for being "the last good windows" with some privacy. It may or may not be true, but a lot of people are adamant about not using linux while also trying to maintain privacy, hence they use win7. I imagine such users would probably use a browser like firefox.

I remember when win2k was "the last good windows" and then windows xp after it. I $CURRENT-2 is always going to be considered "the last good windows".

Nah there was definitely some kind of fundamental qualitative change from 7 to 8/10. I dont think the post-7 versions of windows will ever be loved like 7
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