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Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by squiggleblaz »

smoldesu wrote: post #225
axaxs wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then your data is worthless to them This is precisely the point. It should be worse than worthless, it should cost them money. And they should charge that to me, plus some nominal fee. I guess that's what I'm asking for.

The issue is that you're not describing a sustainable business model. Sure, it would be a much better situation than we have now, but you can't cover hosting fees with data bills.

That's a strange argument. "If we pay you for the product you give us, we'll never be able to pay our service providers. Instead, we'll give sell it to someone else."

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by xeromal »

azinman2 wrote: post #217

I find it very interesting that Eich was outsted from Mozilla for his anti-gay stance, and much of HN was in agreement at the time, yet this seems to never come up with Brave despite LGBTQ rights having far stronger support today. Why is that?

It was a wave of public emotion that gout Eich ousted.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by ketamine__ »

azinman2 wrote: post #266
kbelder wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 'anti-gay' stance was that he donated to a campaign for prop 8 in California; that preposition passed. So he was guilty of agreeing with the majority of voters in California. It's not that odious of a sin (and I disagree with Eich, incidentally). Should the majority of California citizens be canceled, permanently? Not allowed any leadership positions?

I'm not trying to re-litigate the past. But it was enough of a consequential donation back then to have removed from as CEO of Mozilla. So that's a pretty big deal. Somehow that has never made its way into anything related to Brave as far as I've noticed, and generally I've followed the company at least in terms of top HN links (always curious to see what people are doing in the browser space). I've never seen it men…

> But it was enough of a consequential donation back then to have removed from as CEO of Mozilla.

False. The reason for leaving Mozilla was never published.

> I'm wondering if I'm missing something like he himself did some about-face, or people lost track of this, or if they just don't care anymore or what?

So your disappointed Hacker News isn't more engaged with identity politics and cancel culture?

And by the way you are wrong. It has come up in several threads in the past.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25844354

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27549604&p=2

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by TheFreim »

swader999 wrote: post #44

Brave browser on android doesn't let me set it as default search yet. Maybe I need an update.

I use Brave on android and I was able to set it. I think you have to do a search (or possibly go to settings on the site? I forget) and THEN follow the steps to add it. I thought there was an issue for a while but then I managed to get it set just fine.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by ketamine__ »

azinman2 wrote: post #246
throwaway292893 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes lets all grab pitchforks and chase him out of town because of his religious beliefs. So sick of leftists and your constant attacks in the name of diversity. Go find a hobby, you're not trying to further any cause or help anyone, you're just looking to cause drama and attack people. It was the majority opinion to oppose same-sex marriage. Are we going to cancel everyone who once or still supports it? Remember we a…

First, I’m not looking to cause drama or attack anyone. I’m genuinely curious and to know what changed? It was a big deal then, but seems to never surface with anything Brave related since. And as they make bigger and bigger splashes, and this continues to not come up, I’m wondering why that is? You’re making a lot of assumptions about me, my motives, and belief structures. I’m just seeing a change in behavior on thi…

You're concern trolling. It's blatantly obvious: Hey, I just have a question. Five paragraphs later...

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by SahAssar »

jonathansampson wrote: post #67
yellow_lead wrote: post #36

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Seriously. For a privacy focused org to have these moral failings makes me skeptical they won't abuse users' trust in the future. I still don't think it's right to accept donations on behalf of someone you have no prior agreement with.

That's a misleading way to frame it; Brave distributed BAT tokens to its users at the time (this was in 2018). We then asked those users to give (or "mark") those tokens to their favorite content creators. Some gave them to verified creators (who were shown with a check-mark, similar to Twitter), while others gave them to unverified creators (who had no distinguishing marks, similar again to Twitter). When the creato…

When comparing to twitter you fail to mention two large differences:

1. You don't donate to people via twitter.

2. The people on twitter actually signed up for twitter.

If you actually think it was a mistake then perhaps stop defending it. If you don't think it was a mistake then stop explaining away to controversy by saying it was "naive UI/UX".

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by xpe »

smoldesu wrote: post #225
axaxs wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then your data is worthless to them This is precisely the point. It should be worse than worthless, it should cost them money. And they should charge that to me, plus some nominal fee. I guess that's what I'm asking for.

The issue is that you're not describing a sustainable business model. Sure, it would be a much better situation than we have now, but you can't cover hosting fees with data bills.

If there was a broadly enforced requirement to pay users for their data, businesses would adapt.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by xpe »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #182
JeremyBanks wrote: post #135

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Is that legal?

Why wouldn't it be? Google scrapes the web to populate it's results, why wouldn't other search engines scrape the web as well? Google is a website.

This is naive. Web sites have various terms of service.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by xpe »

jonathansampson wrote: post #118
smoldesu wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DuckDuckGo does the exact same thing with shebangs. Brave's implementation is just less granular.

Brave Search supports the Fallback Mixing option, as well as shebangs (e.g. !g, !a, !b, !d, !e, !yt).

They are called bangs, not shebangs. A shebang is #!

> In computing, a shebang is the character sequence consisting of the characters number sign and exclamation mark (#!) at the beginning of a script. It is also called sha-bang,[1][2] hashbang,[3][4] pound-bang,[5][6] or hash-pling.[7] - Wikipedia

> Bangs are shortcuts that quickly take you to search results on other sites. For example, when you know you want to search on another site like Wikipedia or Amazon, our bangs get you there fastest. A search for !w filter bubble will take you directly to Wikipedia. -DDG

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by butz »

adkadskhj wrote: post #197

Looks cool! I sort of hate the UI though. Everything is so spaced out, on my screen i literally don't see the results. I see two top results, and 3 videos _(it's not a video search..)_, and that's it. Those top results i'm not sure if they're paid or not - so it makes me feel unsure if i'm seeing any real results or not. The page seems to waste space. I'd need a compact mode to use this search. The UI is difficult fo…

Strange, that there is a separate search tab for videos, but no "text only" search. Considering that 99% of video search results will be on youtube, I'd probably go straight to youtube if I needed to find a video.
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