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Re: Stripe Tax

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Post by xxpor »

mywittyname wrote: post #261
xxpor wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Congress have that power? I suppose you could argue they're interstate commerce regulations, but idk if that'd fly. Edit: Obvious SD v Wayfair is relevant here, https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/17-494_j4el.pdf It's too complex to even take a stab at guessing what they'd say based on that though. Also, I'd forgotten what a wild lineup the votes were. GINSBURG, ALITO, and GORSUCH, JJ., joined. THOMAS, J…

Probably not to enforce standards, but they certainly have the power to create standards and incentivize their use. Much in the same way they can't control speed limits on national highways or the drinking age in various states, yet these laws are largely uniform across the country.

Those rules have to be on a funding source that's plausibly related and it has to be non-coercive. I'm struggling to think of a relevant funding source here.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Post by nickpp »

treve wrote: post #262
nickpp wrote: post #159

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Yes, I heard that (couldn't test it myself). The integration for Avangate for example was a proof-of-concept PHP file and a couple of docs explaining the CGI parameters. Not great but not that horrible either. But were those so incredible that it made up for the missing features? I mean if it was me I wouldn't implement the sales tax myself in a million years, no matter how nice the experience and integration was...

It's pretty weird hearing anyone talk about CGI parameters these days, so perhaps that should also tell you something?

That was 15-20 years ago, integration today has evolved, of course...

Re: Stripe Tax

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Post by tzs »

xxpor wrote: post #257
tzs wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US could really use some national action on sales taxes. I'd like to see Congress make it so a state can only require remote sellers with no physical presence in the state to collect tax for the state if: 1. Tax rates on remote sales are uniform within a zip code. No more having to deal with "123 Fake Street, Hooterville, 65026" having a different tax rate than "124 Fake Street, Hooterville, 65026". (Worse, I rec…

Does Congress have that power? I suppose you could argue they're interstate commerce regulations, but idk if that'd fly. Edit: Obvious SD v Wayfair is relevant here, https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/17-494_j4el.pdf It's too complex to even take a stab at guessing what they'd say based on that though. Also, I'd forgotten what a wild lineup the votes were. GINSBURG, ALITO, and GORSUCH, JJ., joined. THOMAS, J…

It's kind of hinted at somewhere in Wayfair that this is really kind of about the defaults when Congress declines to speak.

Congress has extremely broad powers to regulate interstate commerce which would let them decide if and how states can make sellers in other states collect for them. So far, Congress has declined to weigh in, and so we get the default.

For some things the default is that states cannot do them unless Congress says they can. For others the default is that they can do them unless Congress says they cannot.

With Congress remaining silent, it is up to the courts to figure out what the default is for a given thing. Wayfair is essentially saying the older decisions picked the wrong default.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Post by bsimpson »

xxpor wrote: post #257
tzs wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US could really use some national action on sales taxes. I'd like to see Congress make it so a state can only require remote sellers with no physical presence in the state to collect tax for the state if: 1. Tax rates on remote sales are uniform within a zip code. No more having to deal with "123 Fake Street, Hooterville, 65026" having a different tax rate than "124 Fake Street, Hooterville, 65026". (Worse, I rec…

Does Congress have that power? I suppose you could argue they're interstate commerce regulations, but idk if that'd fly. Edit: Obvious SD v Wayfair is relevant here, https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/17-494_j4el.pdf It's too complex to even take a stab at guessing what they'd say based on that though. Also, I'd forgotten what a wild lineup the votes were. GINSBURG, ALITO, and GORSUCH, JJ., joined. THOMAS, J…

TIL states can now force out-of-state companies to collect and remit taxes.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Post by quercusa »

tzs wrote: post #188
teamspirit wrote: post #170

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How quickly my excitement disappeared when I saw that California was not a member. Thanks for the information; I'm sure there are others, like myself, that have no idea such a thing exists.

I'm somewhat baffled by California not being a member. California's threshold below which out of state remote sellers do not have to register, collect, report, or remit sales tax is $500 000/year of sales into California. If I'm a remote seller using the free SST option to handle my taxes in the SST states, and am selling say $300 000/year in California, I will not be collecting any California tax. If they joined SST…

The $500,000 threshold is, IIRC, for companies that don't have a 'nexus' in California. As of a few years ago, having a single remote employee in California was enough to create a nexus, causing you to be treated as a California-local company.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Post by MayeulC »

Not available in the EU.

Full text from wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20210609031856/https://www.khq.c...

> Tilly, the 2-year-old Border Collie who was ejected from a car Sunday during a crash, has been found.

> He was found on a sheep farm, where he had apparently taken up the role of sheep herder.

> According to Tilly's owner, he has lost some weight since Sunday's crash and is now drinking lots of water but is otherwise healthy.

> PREVIOUS COVERAGE:

> RATHDRUM, Idaho - The Idaho State Police (ISP) is investigation after a crash blocked SH-41 and Hayden Avenue on Sunday afternoon.

> ISP said they are looking for people who witnessed the incident.

> The crash happened when a GMC Yukon towing a white horse trailer attempted to turn south onto SH-41 when a Buick struck the GMC.

> The driver of the Buick, a man from Spirit Lake, was transported to a nearby hospital and was treated and released. No one else was injured.

> During the crash, a dog was ejected from the rear of the GMC and is still missing.

> ISP said the dog is a 2-year-old Border Collie Heeler mix that goes by the name "Tilly". Tilly has no tail, a dark-colored face, weighs approximately 70 pounds, and was wearing a multi-colored plaid and tan-colored collar with a name tag containing the owner's contact information.

> Tilly was last seen running northwest from the crash scene through the field.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Post by codehawke »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #130
codehawke wrote: post #58

I've been using Stripe for years for my website, codehawke.com. Once you get over a certain amount of revenue and or sales transactions, they file 1099-K directly with the US IRS, they won't miss your failure to report that. I'm not sure if this is new, or I reached some new threshold? They are definitely in communication with the IRS at this point. PayPal does the same thing.

Do you sell to US only or globally? Each country has its own tax rules. E.g. if you sell to EU customers, you need to apply a correct VAT % of their country on top. If you reach a certain threshold you then need to file VAT returns.

I do account for that, but honestly I don't make the international sales to worry about it. UK is the one exception for that. The rules are being a bit more simplified starting July 1 of this year. VAT is a disaster for all businesses. This is a case of going after the big guys and screwing the little guys in the process. Luckily, 70% of my revenue is in the USA and on top of that my company is based in business friendly Virginia.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Post by edwinwee »

tegansnyder wrote: post #264

Random aside on marketplace tax and using Stripe Connect. It would be especially useful if Stripe had a field that allowed marketplace facilitators to ensure they are collecting the tax. Using connected accounts with destination charges allows platform account to receive the tax by placing it in the application fee field, but if you happen to also collect a commission that means you are combining your tax + commissio…

Good idea!

Re: Stripe Tax

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Post by pier25 »

yannoninator wrote: post #19
toomuchtodo wrote: post #17

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Do you feel like the value is worth with the fee Stripe is charging?

YES, considering the only best competitor in this space Paddle takes 5%. Taxes is the reason why in the past most EU/UK businesses go to Paddle. Stripe's Tax feature now saves people who were considering Paddle a lot of time now.

What about invoicing to the customer?

AFAIK Paddle solves that too but Stripe doesn't.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Post by groundthrower »

scubakid wrote: post #98
yannoninator wrote: post #19

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YES, considering the only best competitor in this space Paddle takes 5%. Taxes is the reason why in the past most EU/UK businesses go to Paddle. Stripe's Tax feature now saves people who were considering Paddle a lot of time now.

With this new Stripe solution, do you still have to register for licenses to collect tax everywhere and remit the sales tax to various US states and foreign governments? Unless I misunderstand, that still sounds prohibitively onerous for anyone working as a solo dev or very small team..

Also wondering about this. Having a one man band b2b only saas, in EU. Have few customers in US to whom I just send an invoice with no tax added. This is what I heard from long ago was how you do.

Have never registered any taxes abroad in any country. For EU customers I collect VAT no and do the quarterly report but for all other countries I’ve done nothing. I have basically been doing this wrong then?

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