2022 Ford F-150 Lightning • Hacker News Board

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:31 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still.

I agree that this is important, but it is 99% psychological. In the entire time I owned my Tesla, I used the supercharger a half dozen times. Most people with an EV that has 200+ miles of range will rarely use DC fast chargers.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by pokstad » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

Re autopilot:

I want an electric truck, but there’s no way in hell I’m trusting my life to Bay Area tech. I want to save money on gas and be more eco friendly. My truck driving for me is not a want until the tech is perfected.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ccsnags » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

mfer wrote: post #119

ameister14 wrote: post #48

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>Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I think more worrisome is the center console - pedestrian deaths had been going down for 20 years until smartphones became widespread and we've had increases every year since.

With the introduction of smart phones and social media we've seen lots of negative effects increase. For example, teen suicide was decreasing until they were introduced and then started to increase again. Girls especially. I wish there was more discussion and acknowledgement of the dangers here.

When I’m on a long trip with friends or family we play a game trying to spot people on their phones by how poorly they are driving. Police are extra points. You would be shocked at how many cops you see looking down at their lap while driving.

I would rather drive next to people with .09 blood alcohol than someone on their phone.

Social media and cell phones are very convenient, but come with major drawbacks that must be addressed. Phones, for many young people, are just mental disorders with a touch screen.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by chubot » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

jtdev wrote: post #177

bobince wrote: post #105

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It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

Roads are made for large dangerous machines that move fast and can hurt you.

Cities are made for people; the number people outside of cars greatly exceeds the number inside cars in every city.

If what you say is true, then cities should not have roads.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

pokstad wrote: post #268

kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

My Ridgeline truck has a trunk in the bed. It’s amazing.

And think how much better it will be when it isn't covered by the stuff loaded in the bed.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bigmattystyles » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #260

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

> stereotyping of truck owners It's kind of ridiculous, really. You know who buys F150s? Everyone. If there were a stereotypical "truck owner" then Ford wouldn't sell better than a million of these every year. They have broad appeal to diverse demographics.

It’s signaling; in my mind it’s the same for many Tesla drivers. But I mean, same for me, I drive a Subaru Outback because while I do use it for outdoor exploring and want to signal that, its off road use is honestly limited to a dirt parking lot. It’s often about image.

(Edit) consumption waste of traditional F150s, and yes, even that of my beloved Subaru is not great, but the absolute worst are coal rollers and those with loud modified exhausts. That Newsom didn’t veto legislation that undid AB1824 was very disappointing to me.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Someone1234 » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

golover721 wrote: post #242

kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

Agreed, which makes it strange that it’s only available as a crew cab.

Most of the gas F-150 sales are crew cab models, so it makes sense not to target that relatively small niche.

The long-bed was popular back when people owned a truck as an extra vehicle/work vehicle only, now many use their truck as their main vehicle and have need of carrying others.

If you look at the creature comforts of older bench seat trucks (bare-bones) and the trucks sold today, a truck today will have everything an SUV will have in terms of comfort and maybe more.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bryanlarsen » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150.

I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for commercial fleets, so will be missing crucial features for the passenger market and might bypass dealerships. Even so, $52K is still a competitive price for a SuperCrew with a few options.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

golover721 wrote: post #242

kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

Agreed, which makes it strange that it’s only available as a crew cab.

The vast majority of pickups these days are sold either for work or family, and both benefit from additional people capacity. It makes sense to go after this huge market first.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by pokstad » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #275

pokstad wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Ridgeline truck has a trunk in the bed. It’s amazing.

And think how much better it will be when it isn't covered by the stuff loaded in the bed.

Bed is usually empty, but yea that’s a concern when you’re hauling on a long trip. The trunk also contains the spare tire, so it’s hard to access the spare tire when hauling stuff.