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Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Are these reliable? Can a judge compel someone to continue publishing a canary to prevent leaking the information?

And is it unthinkable someone would do it without a legal requirement, to keep their business afloat?

Actually, yes. Likely fewer people would leave and there would be far fewer repercussions to be honest about the canary than for someone to discover it was falsely put up. The longer the charade goes on, the worse the blowback will be.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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23. Been using IRC on and off since I was 14.

So since ~2012. I've not used IRC since before then so maybe things have been relatively calm in those nine years, but IRC has been around since 1988 and has a long history of drama arguably starting with the first big split in 1990. While not caring to know the details of past drama is fine, to be _completely_ unaware of it seems both rather myopic and somewhat naive IMO. Have you never taken any interest in the his…

I didn't write that IRC was devoid of drama. I wrote it's the first one I'm hearing about. As in, know what it's about. Vaguely knowing that there probably was some drama in the past is another thing entirely. There is a lot more drama in more mainstream parts of the Internet, which is where my surprise at the mention of it comes from.

I also think you're taking it too seriously. Internet drama is a relatively unimportant thing in life. Wars on the other hand... Internet drama has the importance of celebrity gossip.

> Have you never taken any interest in the history of the tools you use or the Internet generally?

I did take interest in the history of some of the tools. It doesn't mean I explore the history of all of them, or that this history is particularly valuable knowledge. What you learn this way is mostly just shallow trivia. E.g. knowing why strncpy works the way it works with regard to '\0' isn't knowledge that deepens your understanding of anything; it's just trivia. But sometimes it's a pleasant way to mindlessly, idly spend your time.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Just a heads up I assigned CVE-2021-1000189 https://json.distributedweaknessfiling.org/CVE-2021-1000189, especially in light of the data harvesting concerns and DoS (offering people the ability to arbitrarily k-line people) and the simple fact that a good solution exists in the form of https://libera.chat/

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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I dunno who the "We" is in "We are founding a new network with the same goals and ambitions to support foss and likeminded communities: libera.chat." But if it is the same people who mismanaged freenode into this joke then maybe nobody should go there. Just a heads up. I think this Andrew Lee person would have a tough time being worse than them. How long until they sell libera.chat for a pack of magic beans? I give i…

They were the ones opposed to this sale. The sale was basically not a sale but a hostile takeover, and the former staff have now created a non-profit organization under Swedish law to hold the new network so that this kind of thing can't happen again.

> under Swedish law

What statute in Swedish law prohibits them from selling the network to someone who "totally gave his word" for a pack of beans?

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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I happen to like nickserv's UX. There are far worse UIs on the web. Simple is good.

The fact that nickserv is just another user and you can't be sure the network had taken precaution to avoid another using swiping the name in the event of a services outage is a problem. Add to that the (now admittedly rare) networks that don't use any form of nickserv and the phishing potential for users that don't realise that

You can, because a server can reserve nicknames via a configuration directive. Many ircds also allow the /NICKSERV command.
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