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I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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There are different markets. It's easy to hire full remote juniors on upwork for next to nothing. Hiring a senior staff superhero full-cyber stack-ninja who happily relocates to where you are... now that's not that easy. And thus on the low end you have a market glut and on the high end you have a shortage.

But that's still not a shortage. The government hasn't imposed a wage cap. Employers can just increase wages to the market rate.

What's a shortage?

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are different markets. It's easy to hire full remote juniors on upwork for next to nothing. Hiring a senior staff superhero full-cyber stack-ninja who happily relocates to where you are... now that's not that easy. And thus on the low end you have a market glut and on the high end you have a shortage.

But that's still not a shortage. The government hasn't imposed a wage cap. Employers can just increase wages to the market rate.

If 1000 companies want to hire top tier experienced engineers and there are only 100 on the market, that is the definition of a shortage.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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And footguns that an experienced person might hit. One family of such footguns is: const auto &foo = something(args); … other_thing(foo); Depending on exactly what you’re doing and what type something(args) returns, this can be entirely correct and idiomatic. In other circumstances it accesses a reference after its lifetime. One can debate whether the const belongs there and how many &’s to use, but, unless something…

First time I've ever heard the term 'footgun'

It’s a reference to a decades-old quote from Bjarne Stroustrup, C++’s creator:

“In C++ it’s harder to shoot yourself in the foot, but when you do, you blow off your whole leg.”

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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I've never been on the other side of things, but it's always fascinated me that so many people who have say things like this. It's hard for me to fathom that such a large proportion of candidates are terrible.

If you want an intuitive way to think about it: > That means, in this horribly simplified universe, that the entire world could consist of 1,000,000 programmers, of whom the worst 199 keep applying for every job and never getting them, but the best 999,801 always get jobs as soon as they apply for one. So every time a job is listed the 199 losers apply, as usual, and one guy from the pool of 999,801 applies, and he g…

I love seeing these “old is new” blog posts from 16 years ago. Same game, same story, things have shifted around but not that much.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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In any decent CS school they actually teach you low-level stuff. Transitioning from Java to C++ for such a person is trivial.

To the downvoters: No, you aren't a better programmer because you code in C++. You just use a different programming language. That's all.

I think the above comment bears repeating:

>A good programmer could learn it, but it exposes concepts that python and java abstracts from the programmer.

Education varies wildly, and overall in industry you will not apply 100% of your learnings. I'm sure I forgot plenty of algorthms that others use daily. Likely, others forgot plenty of low-level memory management than I use daily.

Let's not turn this into a programmer measuring contest. They are different concepts and tools done for the purpose of solving problems, not flexing IQ's. coments like this are no better than the ones you complain about.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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Your profile lacks clear coding experience. And your highlighted recent experience as a game designer would just make me disqualify from any engineering role.

Discarding applicants for game dev experience and claiming there's a dev shortage is completely bizarre. It's like starting a restaurant and banning chefs with baking experience.

Designer != dev, right? The top entry on his LI also appears to be a marketing role?

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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I literally can’t relate to this on any level. I’m an HM at a company that pays on the order of a FANG and at best matches one of these credentialist barriers and yet we can’t come close to hiring targets on devs. I don’t get how people can see the plethora of individuals under 10yrs experience in SWE and other tech roles in SV/NYC/SEA with incomes of $250-600k/yr and think this happens without a “shortage” of talent…

> devs have a lot of bargaining power Employees don't seem to have enough bargaining power to meaningfully control working conditions, though. Maybe these are worth a ton of money to the company, or such desires are an outlier. But here is my experience: I'm a professor of computer science, and frequently get recruiters trying to get me to jump ship to industry. I'm open to it in principle. I'm reasonably happy in my…

> They can double or occasionally triple my salary, but they can't offer me a private office.

You might have more luck if instead you asked about working remotely full-time. It's not the same if you want to go into an office, but companies are seriously thinking about their post-covid office plans.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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It's basically both. When I graduated with my CS degree, I was _thrilled_ to be offered 50k. Now new grads feel lowballed at 200k TC. So hard not to say that the market hasn't adjusted somewhat. At the same time, part of the reason companies even have to pay so much is because they've made interviewing so damn hard. I personally know many people at great companies like Google and Twitter who are _desperate_ to change…

> Now new grads feel lowballed at 200k TC As a new grad, was I supposed to feel lowballed at getting an offer quite a bit less than that? I know senior devs who make less than that. Is this just for stanford/mit grads?

I think you should feel fine about 150k and miffed about 100k if it's a gig at a bay area company other than an early-stage startup.

200k is very high for new grads.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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I am an aspie that has gaps in my resume. I moved to a fairly remote location while I was working on starting my first company. There were a few "software" companies there. The quality of the engineers was very low, as was the software they were producing. I wanted to do some work for a while to gather up some more money. These places were obviously desperate for engineers. They had ads every week for months or years. I went to the interviews. All of the technical tests were easy. Often they didn't even get their own answers right. None of them hired me though. It was very obviously for the aspie personality. They were obviously not that desperate.

You can say "oh you're an aspie. Oh you have gaps in your resume". Ahh... exactly how desperate are they if they can pick and choose while having such terrible in-house talent? The pay at these places was pretty terrible. Looking at their history, they often resorted to using off-shore people. Most of their upper management are really just family members making a passive income from the company. None of this suggests to me any real crisis or shortage in labour, just people wanting to keep raking in easy money.

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