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Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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This will be an unpopular opinion, but I am feeling chatty today. As long as safety + working conditions are not cruel and unusual, and someone is willing to work for $0, why are you trying to stop (or hide) that fact? Someone willing to work for less (or for free) is offering a bargain to incentivize giving him/her the business or the benefit of experience instead of more $. You restricting them from doing that does…

Because the transaction is not just limited to the employee and employer. The cost of their under/un paid work is borne by society at large, and directly by the government.

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My biggest issue with this is the way Netflix reached out directly to professional photographers and didn’t disclose up front that the work was unpaid. It is so disrespectful and unprofessional to make people write follow-up inquiries to get that information.

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It doesn't matter how much faster a full employee could complete a task. They are giving up their labor and should be compensated accordingly. If the company can't figure out how to derive value from that labor, that's its own fault. Moreover, if companies weren't getting value out of internships, they wouldn't continue hiring interns.

> They are giving up their labor and should be compensated accordingly. If they were at college completing courses, they'd be giving up their labor towards that. If you consider an internship an educational opportunity, then the argument that they should be paid holds no water (since they don't get paid for college work, instead they pay for the experience). Obviously, not all internships are _really_ educational opp…

Your college analogy doesn't make sense. Students are the "customers" of the college, not the workers. Or, to put it another way, they're paying for their professors' labor.

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unpaid intern are absolutely good. many i have known are starting this way, before they have plenty skills for to gain full pay internship. ban are stupid, stop your try to interfere with economy via government.

If McDonald's can afford to hire low-skill people for minimum wage across the US, so can companies for under-skilled interns. Not paying someone for work isn't cool unless it's a volunteer position. Businesses shouldn't be getting volunteer labor. Non-profits and, maybe, governments are the only ones that should be getting volunteer interns.

McDonald's lobbied to pay minors, as new hires, less than minimum wage, which is still allowed. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/32-minimum-wage...

Perhaps a parallel to internships.

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#275

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I am feeling chatty today. As long as safety + working conditions are not cruel and unusual, and someone is willing to work for $0, why are you trying to stop (or hide) that fact? Someone willing to work for less (or for free) is offering a bargain to incentivize giving him/her the business or the benefit of experience instead of more $. You restricting them from doing that does…

I think the whole idea of this being work for $0 is incorrect. The "pay" comes in the exposure and authority the photographer will build after doing this. If you're going to hire a wedding photographer, all things being equal, if one says they did the photos for a show that you are familiar with, or appeared in magazines you're familiar with - that is worth a great deal in marketing value. A smart photographer can bu…

> If you're going to hire a wedding photographer, all things being equal, if one says they did the photos for a show that you are familiar with, or appeared in magazines you're familiar with - that is worth a great deal in marketing value.

Not really.

No one knows wedding photographers by name. The absolutely most famous wedding photographer in the world is .... who?

If you’ve gotten a customer far enough in your funnel that you’re able to boast about the Netflix show, the bulk of the marketing is done already. That might seal the deal sure, but regardless they’re gonna want to see examples of your work.

Finally, wedding photographers aren’t vanity purchases in the sense that there’s no designer label to show off. All there is are photographs. And if the photographs are great, no one cares who took them.

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This is one of those things often asserted but rarely proven.

Brands often pay hundreds of thousands on product placement. I'm not sure that's going to help a photographer though. Coke product placement may motivate me to buy a coke, but it's not like I'm going to hire a wedding photographer 1000 miles away.

Yes, a big company have whole divisions devoted to advertising. But for a business operated by one person it's not really equivalent to talk about doing a full week of work for free, especially one that doesn't prominently display you or your name. Beyond the issue you already mentioned that this is a mostly local business.

Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

#277

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I am feeling chatty today. As long as safety + working conditions are not cruel and unusual, and someone is willing to work for $0, why are you trying to stop (or hide) that fact? Someone willing to work for less (or for free) is offering a bargain to incentivize giving him/her the business or the benefit of experience instead of more $. You restricting them from doing that does…

> We have tons of people who are locked out of well paying jobs because they can't get on the job experience or even get in the door at the wages being required (and experience demanded by those wages). Young people, people with less education. Minorities. Did you know that? It actually causes some people's heads to explode, that the good intentions of a policy actually might hurt the people it's designed (in a very coarse way) to benefit.

As a (former) working musician, I saw almost the exact opposite problem. The only people who would get jobs were the rich white kids who were doing it as a hobby so didn't need to live off the wages they were being paid.

This is where mentorship and apprenticeship comes in. Assistants and such can get on-the-job training while still being paid for their time and effort.

No one's gonna hire someone who's never picked up a camera before just because they don't want to pay them. No matter what, an artisan needs a portfolio, which means time given up for free anyways.

No one considers what a fair wage is. Theyre gonna pay the least amount they can get away with is. I mean, if you genuinely don't have any money in your budget for a photographer, it might be better to just not hiring a photographer. Even if they are trying to just build out their portfolio, they're doing a service for you.

Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

#278

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I am feeling chatty today. As long as safety + working conditions are not cruel and unusual, and someone is willing to work for $0, why are you trying to stop (or hide) that fact? Someone willing to work for less (or for free) is offering a bargain to incentivize giving him/her the business or the benefit of experience instead of more $. You restricting them from doing that does…

I think the whole idea of this being work for $0 is incorrect. The "pay" comes in the exposure and authority the photographer will build after doing this. If you're going to hire a wedding photographer, all things being equal, if one says they did the photos for a show that you are familiar with, or appeared in magazines you're familiar with - that is worth a great deal in marketing value. A smart photographer can bu…

>The "pay" comes in the exposure and authority the photographer will build after doing this.

This is the line every questionable business uses when trying to get freelancers to work for free. It's well-known and despised.

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There are unpaid government/government-type internships. The UN is the most notable example. Most on Capitol Hill are also unpaid. Many local governments do it as well as they are cash strapped.

lol - those capital hill internships often result in K street positions. It’s why all those “unpaid” positions are HIGHLY contested. Just curious - have you ever earned money directly for yourself or have you only ever gotten a paycheck from a company or other person?

> those capital hill internships often result in K street positions.

Isn't that kind of the point? Making these positions unpaid/underpaid is an artificial filter removing otherwise great candidates who can't afford to take it on.

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The promotional aspects could be worth much more than whatever money they'd earn.

The better question is why a company with as much cash as Netflix can't afford to pay their photographers.

As stated in the article, it’s a production company. Netflix buys the product, has nothing to do with the nuts and bolts of actually making the show.
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