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Pandora says laboratory-made diamonds are forever

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Good for them. It's literally the same material, and we can now use scientific and engineering advances to remove the need for people to toil and die underground to get them. Hopefully the process is more environmentally friendly too. They are real diamonds. I find it hi-goddamned-larious that the moment these became viable, the industry switched from "Diamond purity is the be-all and end-all and you must have the cl…

Why do people pay insane amount for a box copy of Super Mario Bros, a game you can play one pretty much any device. ROM dumps are literary the same data. I guess rarity is hard to set a price on. And people like being rare and unique.

A large majority of people don't pay insane amounts for collection items. A large majority of people pay insane amounts for jewellery though.

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Married members of HN, what did you do if you think diamonds are utterly ridiclious however due to societal constraints some kind of ring is required for your SO?

We got Canadian diamonds when we got married. Things may have changed in the past decade or so but back then they were a safe cruelty-free option.

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Alternate view: Almost everything in life is ridiculous when you view it with cold logic. It's utterly ridiculous to put golden balls on a fake tree in your house every year, but due to societal constraints most people in Western societies do it. Your SO probably doesn't want a logical gift, she wants something sentimental that makes her feel that you care about her. For some people, that's an expensive rock with no…

Rituals do make a lot of sense even if the content of them makes no intrinsic sense: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-rituals-work/

You should where possible create rituals which do have a direct purpose anyway.

Big example of real rituals which have purpose, Key Signing Ceremonies. Small example, when I leave somewhere I always pat both pockets twice, everything I absolutely need is always in those pockets, keys, wallet, phone. And so I won't leave them behind.

The weird thing about the diamond engagement ring is that it isn't a powerful symbol of anything. The wedding ring is the powerful symbol, and that would conventionally just be a metal band. You see those everywhere which is of course made more practical by their being a simple metal band.

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Stunning argument.

There's no need to flatter blatant sexism with the dignity of honest argument. Indeed, there is nothing to be gained by doing so.

What's sexist about it? 85% of engagement rings are bought by men, for women [0]. Are statistics sexist?

[0] https://www.jewellermagazine.com/Article/8591/Women-spend-mo...

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There's no need to flatter blatant sexism with the dignity of honest argument. Indeed, there is nothing to be gained by doing so.

> There's no need to flatter blatant sexism with the dignity of honest argument. Indeed, there is nothing to be gained by doing so. If you think it's so out of line then why engage on that same level by replying with a bunch of "nope"? I fail to see how his comment is blatantly sexist. If anything it's insulting both sexes equally and craps on the institution of marriage more than anything else. Yes, his comment was…

Yes, if you change everything about the statement, it's a different statement. No one is going to argue that.

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I wonder how well this Reddit-famous commentary about the diamond industry has aged: https://reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8pb8d5/i_grow_diamonds_i_...

There was an article the other day that talked about the resale value of diamonds. Basically jewelers refuse to buy back diamonds at any reasonable price (compared to original retail value. And refuse to make new rings with old diamond etc. So there is very little market for second hand diamonds. Sounds like a business ready to be disrupted Edit: Found the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/15/fashion/jewelry-d…

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"Okay class, child labour, a few thousand poor people dead, terrorist groups starving hundreds of thousands, destroying schools and libraries. That is where diamonds come from. How many would still want a natural diamond because diamonds are forever?" The elephant in that lecture hall was probably the hypocrisy. I think if you still raise a hand after hearing all that, the issue isn't branding at all. It's narcissim,…

Don't apply logic to fashion choices. Why do some sneakers sell for thousands? It is all about the attached backstory. Two identical shoes, but one was owned by a celeb. The backstory, the notoriety of owning the embodiment of that backstory, is the value. Some people want to own something 'from the earth'. Some would even pay more for an object that people suffered to produce. Lots of people certainly pay more for o…

> Two identical shoes, but one was owned by a celeb. The backstory, the notoriety of owning the embodiment of that backstory, is the value.

So the value lies with the fact that it was made by slaves?....

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Random diamond story! As a freshman in college, I took a geology class and our teacher asked all of the women in our class to raise their hand if they would rather have natural or human-made diamonds. Most of the women (over 80%) raised their hands for natural. The reasons they gave all seemed to tie back to branding and natural diamonds being “real.” Then our teacher gave another analogy. He asked if people would ra…

“Do you want natural diamonds or man-made diamonds?”

The correct answer is: no.

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> Actually helping these people means improving their existing options, or giving them new better ones. Yes. A basic income for which one doesn't need to go into the diamond mines, for example.

How do you implement UBI without any centralized government and in some cases a functioning currency?

Charities like GiveDirectly do it using various mobile baking programs along with physically driving shipments of cash to remote areas that don’t have phone access. It’s a complicated problem that involves a lot of human time but it’s also a mostly solved problem.

Re: Pandora says laboratory-made diamonds are forever

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Married members of HN, what did you do if you think diamonds are utterly ridiclious however due to societal constraints some kind of ring is required for your SO?

Alternate view: Almost everything in life is ridiculous when you view it with cold logic. It's utterly ridiculous to put golden balls on a fake tree in your house every year, but due to societal constraints most people in Western societies do it. Your SO probably doesn't want a logical gift, she wants something sentimental that makes her feel that you care about her. For some people, that's an expensive rock with no…

Christmas would be insane if you put actual gold in them instead of plastics.
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