Apple sued for terminating account with $25k worth of apps and videos

Post by syshum » Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 7:32 PM UTC

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and I have known many people that lose digital data because they did not back it up, they had to then repurchase that content, including things like DRM free ebooks, or drm free media This is not a valid line of objection, just because if someone destroyed their CD and did not have a backup would have to rebuy, same is true if someone did not backup their DRM free content. This HAS NOTHING TO DO with the ability to b…

I agree with your point that Apple should not be able to yank/revoke access and treat your account differently than anyone else’s other than by court order. This is worrisome. My initial question was tangential and more thinking out loud how they deal with lower sales velocities.

Post by roody15 » Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 7:34 PM UTC

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But with a book, you have that privilege in perpetuity, and you can loan, transfer, and resell it. Coincidentally, NFT’s got the “transfer” side of the equation, but forgot about the “privilege” part! The tokens are yours in perpetuity, and can be transferred to others, but it’s not at all clear what privilege they provide.

> Coincidentally, NFT’s got the “transfer” side of the equation, but forgot about the “privilege” part! The tokens are yours in perpetuity, and can be transferred to others, but it’s not at all clear what privilege they provide. Exactly! This is the part that I cannot get past whenever people talk about NFTs. They are a neat toy, self-contained, and having unambiguous ownership of the NFT. But there is absolutely not…

Post by ErikVandeWater » Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 7:39 PM UTC

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Fairly certain all music sold through iTunes has been DRM-free since like 2010. Amazon too, I think. (Movies, not so much.)

Yeah, that was a happy accident of market forces. Apple had become the juggernaut of music sales and the industry was desperate to get out from under them. They started letting other licensees go DRM free and Apple negotiated it from them at a markup. I think the reason we never saw a similar model for movies and TV shows is because Hollywood was terrified of what Apple had done to the music industry.

Post by syshum » Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 7:42 PM UTC

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syshum wrote: post #61

Companies want people to be happy in a post-ownership society, Apple and Amazon are part of that I hope more people start resisting this narrative that all or our property and in essences our lives should be leased / rented...

I'm okay if the terms of the rental or subscription are clearly defined. For example, I have no problem subscribing to Netflix and I expect to lose access to its library if I stop paying. What is not okay is buying a perpetual license and lose access to it because our big tech overlord decided someone shouldn't and go away with the money. At least locking the account and forbidding access to buying more content would…

Post by microtherion » Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 7:51 PM UTC

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Dayshine wrote: post #182

Assuming things fall on the side of "indefinite access" that can't be revoked: What happens if you have someone who is genuinely abusing your systems? Are you just powerless until it reaches the point of criminal actions? That doesn't seem unreasonable, as I can't actually think of many examples of abuse that wouldn't be criminal..

You could terminate the account and refund the purchases in full, that way you can still get the user removed from your platform. Or, better yet, stop the unification of unrelated accounts and have a user be able to purchase and watch movies without necessarily having access to iCloud and such. There's plenty of ways to deal with this problem, but most of those cut into sales figures, such as dropping the pretense th…