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Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

reaperducer wrote: post #193
ketamine__ wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler had the option to police their users but put an unqualified volunteer moderation team in charge. As you can imagine this leads to suboptimal results where the most egregious content isn't removed. I was on last night and saw a picture of Peloi's house with the address attached. These are dangerous people that are stalking our democratically elected leaders.

saw a picture of Peloi's house with the address attached. It's sad how publishing the address of a politician has become akin to a threat. When I was a journalist, all politicians had their addresses and phone numbers right in the phone book. We looked them up all the time. Voters were expected to be able to know exactly where their elected officials lived. It was also one way of verifying that they actually lived wi…

Well to be fair, if you had browsed Parler recently you would have seen Nancy Pelosi's address between numerous _actual_ death threats to sitting politicians.

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

mgkimsal wrote: post #55
chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

I poked around on it some, and noticed something ... disturbing. I saw what I assumed were bots posting a lot of garbage links to 'articles' like "Obama compound raided!" and "8 Democrats switch to Republican Party" (that actually happened in Feb 2020, but the link was to an undated rerun and the link was posted.. 2 days ago?). The links were to such trustworthy sites as 'firstusanews.us' (made up, but all variants l…

parler sounds like a classic honeypot

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Post by shrimpx »

rnikander wrote: post #169

Does anyone else think it's suspicious that they built everything on AWS? I mean, if you know you're going to take heat for your content being less moderated, wouldn't you diversify your infrastructure? I wonder if someone wanted this to happen, in order to increase support for certain legislative action?

I think it was just blind ignorance, evidenced by their rage and disbelief when it happened.

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Post by ekianjo »

brentm wrote: post #255
bArray wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened > to have some disgusting content on it. You can't state that as fact. The platform itself was not inherently about spreading objectionable material. It was about being more free than Twitter. > And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" > and social media do not mix. As with all free speech, it had legal limits, such as threats of violence.…

I saw multiple posts & comments at the end of December with people literally calling for the murder of members of Congress on Jan 6th. I reported them when I noticed. I checked back after the Capitol Riots and the posts were still there. If they had any moderation it was not at all effective even for the most obviously unacceptable content.

People call for murder of the rich on twitter the whole time but nobody cares apparently. Double standards much?

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Post by dragonwriter »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #183
cabalamat wrote: post #136

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> the only way to get 'badged' is to use the mobile app and take a picture of govt ID (driver license, passport, etc). Some people have argued, based on this, that Parler was set up by the NSA to get data on people. Hoovering up data from social media is certainly the sort of thing the NSA would do.

This suggestion doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny. Do you really think the best way for a government agency to access government IDs is to secretly run a Twitter clone?

> Do you really think the best way for a government agency to access government IDs is to secretly run a Twitter clone?

No, but it’d be a really good way to get behavioral data on people and use a government ID to tie that data to real identities rather than pseudonyms.

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Post by shuntress »

santoshalper wrote: post #235
bArray wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened > to have some disgusting content on it. You can't state that as fact. The platform itself was not inherently about spreading objectionable material. It was about being more free than Twitter. > And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" > and social media do not mix. As with all free speech, it had legal limits, such as threats of violence.…

> You can't state that as fact. The platform itself was not inherently about spreading objectionable material. It was about being more free than Twitter. No man, it wasn't. They are just lying to you. Try to be more credulous. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200627/23551144803/as-pr...

I find it comical that the more egalitarian solution[0] to enabling widespread free speech is outright rejected by the typical Parler user with some indistinct shouting about government overreach, regulation, or "competition in the marketplace".

[0] mentioned in the article: "I wish they[sic] were interoperable implementations of a protocol, rather than individual silos, but..."

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Post by EpicEng »

tomcam wrote: post #252
chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

A lot of this is true, but I believe. I'm guessing you aren't from the USA, but here, "disgusting content" is completely covered under the concept of freedom of speech. Our Supreme Court has already ruled that there's no Constitutional idea of "hate speech". The concept of freedom of speech is here to protect things that other people think are despicable. This whole deplatforming thing will have vast unintended conse…

>A lot of this is true, but I believe. I'm guessing you aren't from the USA, but here, "disgusting content" is completely covered under the concept of freedom of speech

Sure about that?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBxXcAAuTkC?format=jpg&name=...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBuXYAAB4y2?format=jpg&name=...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgB3XIAcffGC?format=jpg&name=...

https://i.redd.it/q2151lxlfpa61.jpg

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Post by NineStarPoint »

itsoktocry wrote: post #87
jcranmer wrote: post #33

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The Amazon email to Parler says: > Over the past several weeks, we’ve reported 98 examples to Parler of posts that clearly encourage and incite violence. [...] It also seems that Parler is still trying to determine its position on content moderation. You remove some violent content when contacted by us or others, but not always with urgency. [...] This is further demonstrated by the fact that you still have not taken…

> You remove some violent content when contacted by us or others, but not always with urgency. [...] This is further demonstrated by the fact that you still have not taken down much of the content that we’ve sent you. Assuming this is true, it's why I shed no tears for Parler and their circumstances. However , things like "sufficient" and "urgency" need to be established in law, after which the rules are clear and al…

Should those things be established by law though? First amendment says the government shouldn’t be able to prosecute your for speech for a reason, letting the entity with a monopoly on violence say what speech is acceptable/how to deal with it is a massive issue. I’d much rather speech be deal with as it has here, with individual corporations and people refusing to work with bad actors as they see fit. This sort of suppression of speech is the free market of ideas in action, in my mind.

If it turns out that gives the current tech giants too much individual power, that’s a separate issue to deal with.

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Post by EpicEng »

bArray wrote: post #147
chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

> Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened > to have some disgusting content on it. You can't state that as fact. The platform itself was not inherently about spreading objectionable material. It was about being more free than Twitter. > And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" > and social media do not mix. As with all free speech, it had legal limits, such as threats of violence.…

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBxXcAAuTkC?format=jpg&name=...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBuXYAAB4y2?format=jpg&name=...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgB3XIAcffGC?format=jpg&name=...

https://i.redd.it/q2151lxlfpa61.jpg

These were not taken down

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Post by chronicsunshine »

AHappyCamper wrote: post #233

This only proves that the Big Tech companies need to be regulated and that Section 230 should be repealed. Break their power! Parler should sue them for billions. The federal gov't should also sue them for antitrust violations.

You seem to be confused. Repealing Section 230 would vastly increase the amount of moderation on social media platforms, because they would be directly liable for anything posted there.

Also, the US has free enterprise. Businesses are free to choose who or what they do or don't do business with. Parler can sue all they want, but its a waste of their time and money.

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