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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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Exactly the same thing played out for Oculus, so it we can't say that it's surprising. It is sad nonetheless

Yeah it's a sad development. On the other hand it might mean less Facebook dominance which is a win in my book.

Don't count on that, most people don't care.

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Social life is impossible without the mainstream technology. Sure you can find alternatives but if no one uses it other than you, you end up being sidelined. The technology gets enforced and leaves one with no choice but to accept it or be a red flag. Shouldn't it be possible to delete your whatsapp chat and contacts data regularly from the cloud? Eg. one could delete the whatsapp account, clear data on cloud and mak…

Social life is impossible without the mainstream technology. I've never owned a cell phone nor ever had a social media account in my life. Sure, it gets me the occasional eye roll but trust me, my social life is just fine. Caveat: old person speaking.

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I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?

I don't know how you make your loved ones stop using specific software, and generally speaking I wouldn't want to. But if people want to contact me, well, they have to use a mechanism I also use.

I know what you're asking, but I don't think there's a fix unless you somehow have tremendous influence with them. So you either put up with being coerced by your group, or you don't.

This is probably easier if you never used the services in the first place. My mom will occasionally whine that she has to open Imessage to talk to me, and that's about the extent of it. But of course, I am missing whatever they get up to on FB without me. And that's OK with me, but I know it isn't with everyone.

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To give an idea, I think Matrix (and hence Element) borrowed the e2e design from Signal. So if they did it right it should be secure. I demoed it recently as a Slack alternative and it's not very user friendly. Our groups ended up just using Signal.

I’m curious in what way you find Matrix/Element not user friendly. (Since I know people who would claim the opposite)

I found the encryption really cumbersome. Like I just downloaded the app and its asking me to authorize my account from another Matrix client that I've previously signed into or I won't be able to read encrypted messages people send me. But I'm pretty sure I uninstalled those other clients so idk what to do there.

Also I've previously had the Android app crash and throw Java stack traces, but that was an older version.

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post #196

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Social life is impossible without the mainstream technology. I've never owned a cell phone nor ever had a social media account in my life. Sure, it gets me the occasional eye roll but trust me, my social life is just fine. Caveat: old person speaking.

Network effects are real. Financially independent adults can choose their friends among a large pool of candidates. Kids, broke college students, and those generally less well off may have fewer options.

The flaw in that way of thinking is that kids, broke college students, and those generally less well off had no social life or network before social media.

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Why did he think Mark wanted to pay 19 billion for whatsapp? To not make any money.

WhatsApp was an existential threat to Facebook in every country besides the US. They had the data to prove it, obtained from real users via FB's Onavo VPN service. Facebook Messenger 3.0 was to WhatsApp as Google+ was to Facebook (the product), and when the usage numbers weren't going the right way they gave up and bought them out before the gulf got even wider. Textual messaging is a low-data-use (accessible to the…

Does it never occur to them to say "Maybe the reason we're under attack is people want more privacy and control"? Not double down and take away people's options?

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Signal and Telegram seem to be the most commonly mentioned alternatives here. Which one do you prefer and why?

Sessions is my go to for privacy related messaging. It's a fork of Signal with data pushed over a decentralised network.

I personally use Signal, but I think Session is great for the crowd that wants "Signal but without the phone number".

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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When will the market be ripe for people/average joe to buy or rent a block data service à la s3/minio so they can plug their app (calendar, photo sharing, blog, messages, etc.) to it instead of being forced to pay for services with their privacy ? They'd just pay for cloud storage that can be used by any apps using buckets/volumes as external storage instead of paying for dropbox like dumb storage. If I had money I w…

How would you stop the app from retaining your date once they have access to it?

You can revoke access to buckets (to stay in the S3 comparison).
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