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Why a land-value tax is inevitable

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Re: Why a land-value tax is inevitable

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I would much rather read an article about land value tax from a site that doesn't also have an article suggesting COVID-19 is a hoax.

On HN we go by article quality, not site quality. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Link disintermediation:

https://medium.com/@phila_31297/why-a-land-value-tax-is-inev...

(And reputation and trust matter.)

Re: Why a land-value tax is inevitable

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Carbon taxes don't seem simple, to me. Measuring the carbon cost of many things seems really hard. What's the carbon tax rate of income from a downtown parking lot? How do you even reason about that? (the others, sure, much simpler)

Yes, Carbon tax is the least simple, but at least the others free up the carbon tax alone from being at all equitable. That helps.

Carbon tax is the simplest because you can do it at the well head or the port for imports.

Re: Why a land-value tax is inevitable

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Land-value tax doesn't have huge inefficiencies like some other taxes. But the hard part is assessing "value". How should land value be decided? The book "Radical Markets" has some good insights on how to find the value of every plot of land by using markets.

British customs used to have a simple mechanism to bind declared value to market value. A captain could declare the value of the cargo whatever he sees fit, and pay the tax on that amount. The customs reserved the right to buy the entire cargo at the declared price, at their discretion. It's a bit harder to implement with large parcels of land, but should work well with home-sized lots.

This works for cargo because much of the point of cargo is to sell it. The point of a house is to reduce the buyer's risk against e.g. rent going up. Except now there's the risk of my house being bought out from under me unless I'm willing to pay above-market tax. Money is fungible, housing really isn't.

Re: Why a land-value tax is inevitable

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post #132

I would much rather read an article about land value tax from a site that doesn't also have an article suggesting COVID-19 is a hoax.

On HN we go by article quality, not site quality. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

I hear you, dang, but I’d rather not spend my time on a site that also hosts those kinds of articles. I don’t want to support them. I don’t want them to gain credence because they happen to have an article that’s not filled with harmful paranoid delusions. I don’t want my pageview to give them credibility capital.

In other words, I don’t think it’s possible to completely separate an article from its site, and so why I understand the spirit of that rule, I think it’s idealistic and naive, and it doesn’t consider the consequences of promoting a problematic site like this.

Re: Why a land-value tax is inevitable

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1. UBI 2. LVT 3. Environmental externality taxes That's all we need to fix the 21st century. Simple as hell so basically immune to regulatory capture, and will usher in a rate of progress we haven't seen in 100 years, if ever.

The fix that no one seems to talk about is to abolish usury/interest. Islam, Judaism, and Christianity outlawed lending money with interest many centuries ago, and for good reason. Once the core is fixed, we will see benefits across the board almost by definition. Ban parasitic and immoral practices (interest/usury, stock shorting, selling debt for debt, short and long option positions [aka gambling], etc.) and things will get fixed very quickly. Don't forget to return to a properly backed currency, not today's fake currency that allows the government to print money at will.

Re: Why a land-value tax is inevitable

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There are big huge businesses we aren't adequately taxing: Big tech. When your sector makes up like three of the five most valuable companies on the planet, we probably should be taxing it more. And Jeff Bezos does not need more money.

> When your sector makes up like three of the five most valuable companies on the planet, we probably should be taxing it more. Agreed. We should be ruthlessly taxing capital gains, and in general should look upon money earned without laboring for it with scorn.

Others are not interested in your socialist/communist policies.

Re: Why a land-value tax is inevitable

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Well that's a bit different than your earlier statement that we should "ruthlessly tax" capital gains. Capital gains get a favorable treatment because we want to encourage investment that creates economic growth, but comes with risk of loss.

I mean, we ruthlessly tax working for a living, I just don't see why we don't tax speculation gains the same.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Re: Why a land-value tax is inevitable

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This is a land value tax, not a tax on the improvements. If you have a lot worth $50,000 and a house worth $250,000, and place a value of $50,000 on it for tax purposes, do you propose people can buy your house for $50,000?

No, they buy the land underneath your house for $50,000. They can then charge you a use fee for the land. If you don't want to be charged a use fee, you publish a higher price for your land.

I am probably missing something, but why can't they buy the land and charge you $1,000,000,000,000,000 an hour for the use, so you have to leave the house?

Re: Why a land-value tax is inevitable

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1. UBI 2. LVT 3. Environmental externality taxes That's all we need to fix the 21st century. Simple as hell so basically immune to regulatory capture, and will usher in a rate of progress we haven't seen in 100 years, if ever.

No we don't. I will never participate in a scheme where we rob someone at gunpoint to "help" another person. The end doesn't justify the means.

That does contain the huge and unprovable assumption that there is such a thing as natural property in the absence of the state.

See https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/01/why-taxation-is-neith...

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