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Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by floatingatoll »

tjpnz wrote: post #176

How would one explain to a Facebook addict why they should get the vaccine and that it's not a Bill Gates/NWO conspiracy to sterilise them?

Refuse to ever see them in person again until they do. Block them from viewing your Facebook wall until they do. Open every phone conversation by asking them if they have done so, and to send you a photo of the certificate if they did, or otherwise politely but firmly end the conversation and hang up. If they show up to a family gathering, leave immediately and take your children with you.

Ask them to send you a photo of their smallpox vaccination scar, if they have one.

It’s not about convincing them that you’re right, because you can’t do that - they’re addicted to Facebook, so reason is clearly not operating as it is. It’s about changing how they weight their decision using factors you can control, like your physical presence and your Facebook wall.

(If you don’t know them well enough to see them in person, don’t bother, just cut them off and block them from seeing and commenting on anything you post.)

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by tantalor »

elicash wrote: post #184
tomohawk wrote: post #87

Thanks to Operation Warp Speed, the first 100m doses are paid for in the US, and at no cost. https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explaining-operation-warp-sp...

Yeah, this is one of those places where Congress (providing funding) and the administration (providing leadership) and the private sector (doing the actual work) were able to work together. I wish there were more examples of this type of thing. One area an effort like this is badly needed is for at-home rapid testing.

A lot of the "actual work" includes distribution, which the govt is handling through military.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by dahfizz »

floatingatoll wrote: post #254
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it not? I'd be interested to see statistics on this, because I was coughing for weeks after 2 of the 3 times I can remember catching the flu.

Flu characteristics are well understood and you should encounter no obstacles in doing that research yourself.

Okay:

> Uncomplicated influenza signs and symptoms typically resolve after 3-7 days for the majority of people, although cough and malaise can persist for >2 weeks, especially in elderly people and those with chronic lung disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/clinical.htm

Seems like over 14 days of flu symptoms is common.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by mrosett »

floatingatoll wrote: post #220
abfan1127 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how can the long term consequences of the vaccine be better understood than the virus? The vaccine is younger than the virus, and orders of magnitude of more people have had the virus.

mRNA vaccines were understood and studied prior to Covid. Covid infections (still) are not understood.

This isn't entirely true; the technology is still very new.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by [deleted] »

lmilcin wrote: post #52
Neil44 wrote: post #37

This will save lives. However I imagine most people will end up getting the Oxford vaccine, that doesn't have the storage requirements or need a second dose and is a fraction of the cost.

Well, I wouldn't be so happy. Think about it. Out of million people only small percentage would become infected with covid and of that, only small percentage would die. On the other hand, vaccine must be distributed to everybody. Alternatively to people who, by occupation, have to contact many other people, daily. We don't know yet if there are complications from the vaccine. It is not possible to judge long term eff…

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Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by floatingatoll »

mrosett wrote: post #274
floatingatoll wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mRNA vaccines were understood and studied prior to Covid. Covid infections (still) are not understood.

This isn't entirely true; the technology is still very new.

A five second search finds papers on mRNA vaccines from 2018. I see no papers on Covid prior to 2019. In relative terms, as the parent comment was using, we have been studying them longer.

I am not arguing that they are well understood, but I imagine most people are filling in that word when they read the comment.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

floatingatoll wrote: post #254
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it not? I'd be interested to see statistics on this, because I was coughing for weeks after 2 of the 3 times I can remember catching the flu.

Flu characteristics are well understood and you should encounter no obstacles in doing that research yourself.

I'm not sure why you're assuming bad faith here. I attempted to and found no source indicating a proportion of flu cases with lingering symptoms, with most sources only giving vague statements that symptoms can persist. If you've done the research and found it easy, would you be interested to share the results?

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by jowsie »

tzs wrote: post #101
lmilcin wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I wouldn't be so happy. Think about it. Out of million people only small percentage would become infected with covid and of that, only small percentage would die. On the other hand, vaccine must be distributed to everybody. Alternatively to people who, by occupation, have to contact many other people, daily. We don't know yet if there are complications from the vaccine. It is not possible to judge long term eff…

> We don't know yet if there are complications from the vaccine. It is not possible to judge long term effects of anything based on very short exposure ... > Looking at this selfishly and from PoV of game theory, the best decision is to let vaccinate everybody else but don't take vaccine yourself. Obviously, not everybody can make same decision There are two different ways a medicine might have long term unintended a…

Isn't it a bit early to say it's not a take once a year vaccine? Afaik we don't even know if getting covid makes you immune to covid longterm, we definitely don't have the long term info on these vaccines yet.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by pwinnski »

peteradio wrote: post #236
massysett wrote: post #185

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A lot less stupid than continuing with "distance learning".

You and I have very different definitions of stupid. Requiring an entire country to go whole hog on something with zero real understanding of long term effects is my definition of stupid. When is that ever the wise thing to do?

When the other choice is a demonstrably inferior learning environment, economic ruin, and a major public health hazard that has already killed just shy of 250k people in just over 9 months.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by peteradio »

floatingatoll wrote: post #247
peteradio wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and I have very different definitions of stupid. Requiring an entire country to go whole hog on something with zero real understanding of long term effects is my definition of stupid. When is that ever the wise thing to do?

It was the wise thing to do for the polio vaccine.

The risk profile for all the age groups is wildly different. I don't think its a bad idea for people > age X to get this vaccine, one because they have a much higher risk of serious harm from corona _AND_ perhaps less risk of long term affects. But for someone who has very low risk of serious harm from corona, perhaps it makes sense to wait a little bit?
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