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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by larzang »

kovek wrote: post #254
kodah wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open question to HackerNews: are there big tech firms that give lobbying money to free software lobbyists? Feel free to highlight them here. I'd rather cut this problem off at the head than sit around and establish legal defense funds if possible. I'm glad GitHub and Microsoft could help contribute to this victory though.

> I'd rather cut this problem off at the head I don't understand what you mean by this! I know it's an expression or a way of saying something, but I don't understand what you mean

"Removing outdated or poorly written laws by paying off Congress is more effective than funding lawyers to litigate their misuse on a case by case basis forever"

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by OzzyB »

Excuse me, but let's calm down a little with the whole "we're developers for developers" rhetoric.

You didn't restore the repo, the restored repo is a heavily modified version based on the poorly interpreted opinion that having some Taylor Swift (who sucks btw) test cases in your code are grounds enough for a legitimate DMCA claim, and that the only way the repo can be "legally" restored is by removing them.

You didn't "fight" for us because now the precedent has been set (along with the chilling effect) that whenever we push code to GitHub, certain agencies who demonstrably don't have the interests of developers in mind or even understand what code is or what we do, will be able to hold us and our codez ransom.

That's not freedom, that's capitulation.

Also, let's not forget that implementing a methodology in code or in text ("here are the steps you need to take") are one and the same. So based on that principal all the posts on StackOverflow[0] that describe the actual steps needed to take, and accompanying code examples, should be pulled under DMCA also.

[0]https://stackoverflow.com/a/28006836

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by skrebbel »

disown wrote: post #258
toomuchtodo wrote: post #159

Say what you will about Github and Microsoft, this was a classy move. A million dollars is a million dollars. "Putting your money where your mouth is". "Nonetheless, developers who want to push back against unwarranted takedowns may face the risk of taking on personal liability and legal defense costs. To help them, GitHub will establish and donate $1M to a developer defense fund to help protect open source developer…

> A million dollars is a million dollars. Not if you are a company worth $1.6 trillion dollars. But that $1 million dollars probably bought them a lot more in free press. To put it into perspective, it would be like someone worth $1.6 million giving a homeless person $1, filming it, putting it on youtube and profiting off of it. > Thanks Microsoft/Github. Is this real? Edit: Of course the downvotes. Not sure if emplo…

Wow. No good deed goes unpunished, right?

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by SapporoChris »

kovek wrote: post #254
kodah wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open question to HackerNews: are there big tech firms that give lobbying money to free software lobbyists? Feel free to highlight them here. I'd rather cut this problem off at the head than sit around and establish legal defense funds if possible. I'm glad GitHub and Microsoft could help contribute to this victory though.

> I'd rather cut this problem off at the head I don't understand what you mean by this! I know it's an expression or a way of saying something, but I don't understand what you mean

The meaning is to deal with a problem before it grows worse. There are a lot of variances to the expression, 'cutting it off at the head' 'Nip it in the bud' 'Cutting the problem at it's roots' They're all references to killing something before it grows more difficult to deal with.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by dastx »

leafmeal wrote: post #135
dastx wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience has been that Github doesn't ever purge commits from the history. Even when you rewrite the history, all the dangling commits are still there and can be access. I've yet to find a way to force Github to do a gc so such commits are removed. Without Github running a GC on the repo, the commits will not be removed.

You can contact their support to do it for you, for example in the case of pushed secrets.

That shouldn't be necessary. Something as fundamental should be made available as some sort of API.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by anonymousab »

nakovet wrote: post #192
aDfbrtVt wrote: post #178

Can someone with more knowledge on the matter help explain why downloading copyrighted material using youtube-dl as opposed to a browser is treated differently under the DMCA? In either case you're accessing copyrighted material by downloading from youtube's servers.

AFAIK the integration tests had a link do download copyrighted video and that was the initial basis of the claim. "They are demonstrating how to 'pirate'"

I think it only queried the metadata of that video.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by hunter2_ »

bigbubba wrote: post #257
boogies wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Subtitles are a perfect example of data that any normal browser downloads if you click CC, and can even be ^F'd if you click ‘Show Transcript’ on YouTube, but just happen to be orders of magnitude more useful if you control where they download to. I think you’re proving globular-toast’s point.

Subtitles are not video, so no. And I'd like to see you visit a thousand video pages with an RIAA approved browser and ^F on each of them. Nice joke!

Why should subtitles and video be considered so discretely? Are subtitles not copyrighted the same way as the audio and video portions of the work?

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by cosmie »

huhtenberg wrote: post #233

I take GH/Microsoft won't implement any punitive counter-measures for frivolous 1201 claims? Their new claim processing appears to be fairly resource-heavy. It'd be only fair to recover some of the costs they will end up sinking into it.

Doubtful as the law would likely need updated to allow for that.

They'd basically have no way to enforce the punitive counter-measures. They could certainly hit a company with an invoice, but that company could just ignore it. As Github ignoring future 1201 violation claims from that company would open Github up to liability, regardless of the reason for ignoring the claims.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by varispeed »

We need some billionaire to step in and lobby against organisations like RIAA to make them illegal. First one who does it, will be forever remembered as the one who saved artists and their fans. RIAA only protects labels who obtain rights to art in questionable manner (just read so many stories about artists being cheated by the label). We need something that will be paying artists directly and there is technology to solve that. RIAA is a cancer and must go.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by bayindirh »

tboyd47 wrote: post #205
toomuchtodo wrote: post #159

Say what you will about Github and Microsoft, this was a classy move. A million dollars is a million dollars. "Putting your money where your mouth is". "Nonetheless, developers who want to push back against unwarranted takedowns may face the risk of taking on personal liability and legal defense costs. To help them, GitHub will establish and donate $1M to a developer defense fund to help protect open source developer…

They are creating a fund that they control to take the place of EFF and avoid future stand-offs.

Is replacing EFF that easy?

Honestly asking.

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