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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by freeone3000 »

hnick wrote: post #263
freeone3000 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It IS, though. SmartScreen on Windows doesn't check binaries created on the same machine, but you'll get flagged if you move the untrusted binary to another machine you own.

I'm not sure what they call it, but Windows does get in the way for things you compile on your own machine. I compiled the JuicyPotato exploit and tried to copy it to another local folder and got error 0x800700E1 and the EXE went missing.

That's Defender behavior -- you'll want to disable antivirus before building viruses :)

Defender is a traditional hueristic-based AV with on-disk and live load scanning and an offline database. SmartScreen is a reputation-based (certs + "how many people ran this") checker, and is much more visible. Win10 runs both.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by jason0597 »

marcinzm wrote: post #180

This is the future Apple wants I guess, you don't really own your hardware, you simply have a limited license to use it under their very strict terms. It's just a matter of time before Macs become just like iOS.

I've been trying to sound the alarm over "Secure Boot" and the absolute torture it will be to run other operating systems on these ARM Macbooks but very few people seem to care. I guess as long as the display is shiny and the trackpad is big then we're all good.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by bkallus »

wheybags wrote: post #253
randmeerkat wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

System76 is pretty great and they have amazing customer support. Plus between ProtonDB / Lutris you can run pretty much anything you want that needed Windows before. https://system76.com/laptops

I use and love Linux, but come on man, that kind of statement does not help. Even with proton and friends, wine is not perfect. There will most likely be problems, and it's not a one to one transition. However, in my opinion, it is worth it, but there's no sense pretending there is no cost.

It's certainly not perfect, but it's good. If Windows-specific stuff is what's keeping someone from Linux, I'd encourage them to at least see if it works in Wine.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by goatinaboat »

michaelvillar wrote: post #63

Update to the original tweet: https://twitter.com/michaelvillar/status/1327004693361549312... > A better fix to this is: > - Turn off Wifi (to be usable) > - Add "0.0.0.0 http://ocsp.apple.com " to `/etc/hosts` > - Turn on Wifi > This is temporary, don't forget to remove it tomorrow.

Add "0.0.0.0 http://ocsp.apple.com" to `/etc/hosts`

Do you put URLs in /etc/hosts now? The mind boggles at the ways of Apple

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by itp »

horsawlarway wrote: post #256
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

People chose to use Apple because it seems like a benevolent dictatorship. And frankly, a benevolent dictatorship is basically the best government you can have, as long as you're part of the "in-group" who doesn't push boundaries, doesn't cause trouble, and supports the supreme ruler, Kim jon... cough* Apple. --- The problem is that no matter how good the dictatorship might be today, it will eventually bite you. You…

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil

> "Don't be evil" is a phrase used in Google's corporate code of conduct, which it also formerly preceded as a motto.

> Following Google's corporate restructuring under the conglomerate Alphabet Inc. in October 2015, Alphabet took "Do the right thing" as its motto, also forming the opening of its corporate code of conduct.[1][2][3][4][5] The original motto was retained in Google's code of conduct, now a subsidiary of Alphabet. In April 2018, the motto was removed from the code of conduct's preface and retained in its last sentence.[6]

I know saying Google removed Don't Be Evil is something of a trope, but the truth is a little more complicated. And, of course, the presence or absence of this phrase has no necessary bearing on the degree to which they are perceived as evil or not!

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Kaze404 »

Aperocky wrote: post #172
habitue wrote: post #121

I feel like even Richard Stallman would have had a hard time imagining non-free operating systems would result in this. Use linux folks! It doesn't communicate with a third party when a process starts up!

It's just sad that we don't have the corresponding form factor in a similar laptop. The biggest draw of mac: 1. slim, light 2. long battery life. 3. track pad. That's all I want, but nobody else offers it on the same spec, the difference is even bigger with M1.

I have the Dell Inspiron 7000 for those exact reasons and could not be happier. It runs Linux out of the box too :)

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by fortran77 »

commonturtle wrote: post #6

You should never, ever, install a MacOS update the moment it comes out. There is a high chance (> 30% from my experience) that something will be wrong with it. iOS too for that matter. Wait for at least one week and check out other people's experiences first.

This was a problem on previous releases too.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by kuratkull »

freeone3000 wrote: post #145
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will be a full on linux junkie when that happens.

It IS, though. SmartScreen on Windows doesn't check binaries created on the same machine, but you'll get flagged if you move the untrusted binary to another machine you own.

Unless this is a 2004 feature, it does block binaries compiled on the same machine. Not very fun if you are compiling stuff repeatedly with a couple of second wait-times when running the binary.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by jlokier »

brundolf wrote: post #43
Lammy wrote: post #33

Maybe it's just me but the idea that my computer lets Apple (+ any LE organizations) surveil my app launches seems so much scarier than any malware.

I don't know about you, but hashes of the binaries I run don't exactly reveal any sensitive personal information about me. That said, obviously they should have much more graceful degradation in place for when something is wrong with the service.

I run Tor browser occasionally. That fact alone is sensitive personal information about me. It makes me stand out. Someday it might be held against me.

I already expect the ISP to detect my Tor traffic.

But I didn't expect Apple, of all companies, to have a detailed audit trail of every time I've ever opened it, to the nearest minute.

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