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Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon

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Post by fakedang »

blkhawk wrote: post #211
fakedang wrote: post #161

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I moved to Linux last month. I currently run Windows, Linux and MacOS VM on my machine. From being a Windows guy through all the years, I've found myself increasingly using Linux in this span of time. The only thing preventing me from a complete switch is MS Office. I barely used MacOS, except to diagnose issues on MacOS and run XCode.

I moved to Linux in early 2019 and was surprised that I barely needed Windows anymore. I was already using Libre Office so Ms Office wasn't a sticking point for me. I assume you tried Libre office and its probably not compatible enough for you. Ms Office is very compatible with Wine - even the newer ones. The only problems seem to be with apps were direct replacements like Skype or are irrelevant like OneDrive. For s…

I didn't enjoy Libre Office, largely due to the functionality being too low. I work with Excel spreadsheets with lots of macros and formulae, which doesn't port well over to Libre Office.

Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon

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Post by alwillis »

izacus wrote: post #222
alwillis wrote: post #133

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But x86 and Intel are losing badly in the highest growth part of the market: mobile/smart phones. Now $699 M1-based Mac mini is way faster than any Intel box in that price range and many that cost much more. The benchmarks that are starting to come out are just nuts , favoring the M1. Of course not all of the pieces are in place; that takes a while. But those developers that are on top of their game released universa…

> But x86 and Intel are losing badly in the highest growth part of the market: mobile/smart phones. x86 and Intel are making all their money running your k8s on AWS, GCP and other server platforms so you can consume on your locked down ARM device. That's where the big money and margins are. Apple never really could get a foothold in that market.

x86 and Intel are making all their money running your k8s on AWS, GCP and other server platforms…

ARM is coming for the datacenter too; this will not end well for Intel [1]:

    Amazon Web Services launched its Graviton2 processors,
    which promise up to 40% better performance from
    comparable x86-based instances for 20% less.
    Graviton2, based on the Arm architecture, may have a
    big impact on cloud workloads, AWS' cost structure,
    and Arm in the data center.
[1]: https://www.zdnet.com/article/aws-graviton2-what-it-means-fo...

Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon

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Post by vlovich123 »

my123 wrote: post #261
vlovich123 wrote: post #253

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I understood this thread to be about running Linux bare metal natively on the M1, so there's no emulation there & new instructions don't matter. Drivers & secure boot are always the biggest problem. It sounds like you can sign your own kernel & add it so in theory secure boot may not be a problem. Then the question is which driver support are missing & need implementation & how close that lines up with existing ARM d…

An experimental Linux kernel that runs on Apple A10 devices is at: https://github.com/corellium/linux-sandcastle See https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/03/project-sandcastle-b... on details about it. This work, especially as there's no exploiting security bugs required here, will benefit Linux on those Macs quite a lot.

> This work, especially as there's no exploiting security bugs required here, will benefit Linux on those Macs quite a lot.

Right, it sounds like Apple was very careful to provide an out here for enthusiasts by making it possible to sign your own kernel, something you can't do for iPhone/iPad/Watch. Seems like an astute appreciation of differences in their target market.

Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon

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Post by folmar »

dotdi wrote: post #226

Just my 2 cents regarding this: I've already stopped using Docker directly on my MBP15 (2017, 2.8GHz i7). It reserves a huge chunk of disk and RAM. Running anything non-trivial (e.g. k3d and a few pods) led to a very noticeable slowdown. My fan was noisy all day. Instead I purchased (for a very, very modest amount of money) a decommissioned rack server with a dual Xeons (2*8=16C/32T) and 64GB of DDR3 RAM. It's on my…

It nice, but the old servers use a _lot_ of electricity and the single-core performance might be a killer.

Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon

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Post by waheoo »

fakedang wrote: post #271
blkhawk wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I moved to Linux in early 2019 and was surprised that I barely needed Windows anymore. I was already using Libre Office so Ms Office wasn't a sticking point for me. I assume you tried Libre office and its probably not compatible enough for you. Ms Office is very compatible with Wine - even the newer ones. The only problems seem to be with apps were direct replacements like Skype or are irrelevant like OneDrive. For s…

I didn't enjoy Libre Office, largely due to the functionality being too low. I work with Excel spreadsheets with lots of macros and formulae, which doesn't port well over to Libre Office.

I can understand this, I make do with Google sheets but it's seriously limited with my bigger spreadsheets, especially if there is lots of custom code / API response parsing involved.

Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon

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Post by ubermonkey »

panpanna wrote: post #257
ubermonkey wrote: post #228

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LOL. Because people value different things? I stay on MacOS because it works very, very, very well for what I want to do. There are a large number of affirmative reasons I prefer Macs. Hardware build quality has traditionally been stellar, on par with the golden age of Thinkpads (which is one reason the keyboard thing was so jarring). The OS is immensely, profoundly stable. The built-in tools for things like mail, co…

Why is there this illusion that osx just works and linux requires much maintenance?? Only today we had 2-3 _major_ osx issues on HN front page. For example https://twitter.com/lapcatsoftware/status/132699029641299148...

It's not maintenance. It's the hassle of getting it to work the way you want it to work (which, for me, would mean "on par with the seamless experience I have on MacOS/iOS).

Maintenance is dead easy on Linux. Setting THAT up, though, isn't.

Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon

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Post by EarthLaunch »

otterley wrote: post #54
wmf wrote: post #41

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So you didn't even read this thread before posting.

I did. But it doesn't matter: not a single consumer outside Apple (and maybe some reviewers under embargo) has a production M1 in their hands today. Nor is there a public datasheet for the processor yet that I could find. Kindly check your attitude at the door.

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Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon

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Post by jason0597 »

ubermonkey wrote: post #228
OOPMan wrote: post #223

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That begs an even bigger why, given it's such an awful OS in many ways.

LOL. Because people value different things? I stay on MacOS because it works very, very, very well for what I want to do. There are a large number of affirmative reasons I prefer Macs. Hardware build quality has traditionally been stellar, on par with the golden age of Thinkpads (which is one reason the keyboard thing was so jarring). The OS is immensely, profoundly stable. The built-in tools for things like mail, co…

>Hardware build quality has traditionally been stellar, on par with the golden age of Thinkpads (which is one reason the keyboard thing was so jarring).

Really? You think the same Macs that maintain silence by overheating have "stellar" build quality? Seriously, go watch Louis Rossmann's channel. You'll soon see how terrible the build quality in Macbooks is. Just because it's encased in aluminium doesn't mean it's well made.

Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon

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Post by runjake »

user5994461 wrote: post #252
runjake wrote: post #247

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Not to defend Apple because your point is valid, but you can buy a $25 Anker hub and run power through that and gain a ton of ports.

Not really. You could try to get a $25 hub from Amazon and hope it works, half the reviews seems to disagree on that. However it still won't give you any HDMI or audio or Ethernet output. If you try to get one more adapter, say HDMI to connect a projector, you won't be able to plug it because there was only one thunderbolt port in the first place. £75 pounds for basic connectivity https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/produc…

I dunno what you're on about, here are a couple of Anker adapters I use just fine, all day every day.

That said, it sounds like you're really not interested in this market and I recommend you look elsewhere for a solution.

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Upgraded-Delivery-Pixelbook-A83...

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerExpand-Adapter-Delivery-Et...

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