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Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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You like an ANTI -meritocracy statement? We truly have gone backwards.

Here's the issue with meritocracies: They pursue individual excellence at the expense of group excellence. We know[1] that a more diverse group creates better group outcomes than a non-diverse group where specific individuals may have better performance. Even from a wholly selfish perspective for the people running a project, prizing diversity of qualified individuals over a pure meritocracy is the right play. From a…

I agree with the last paragraph of your comment. However, the “wholly selfish” economic argument for “diverse” workplaces is management consultant bullshit which is not supported by the evidence. Here’s an excerpt from the first article that comes up in those Google Scholar search results:

> The result of [social] categorization processes may be that work groups function more smoothly when they are homogeneous than when they are more diverse … This analysis is corroborated by findings of, for instance, higher group cohesion (e.g., O'Reilly et al. 1989), lower turnover (e.g., Wagner et al. 1984), and higher performance (e.g., Murnighan & Conlon 1991) in more homogeneous groups …

> In contrast to the social categorization (and similarity/attraction) perspective, the information/decision-making perspective emphasizes the positive effects of work group diversity. The starting point for this perspective is the notion that diverse groups are likely to possess a broader range of task-relevant knowledge, skills, and abilities, and members with different opinions and perspectives … Corroborating this analysis, some studies find an association of diversity with higher performance and innovation (e.g., Bantel & Jackson 1989).

> In their simplest form (a main effect of diversity), neither analysis is supported. Evidence for the positive effects as well as for the negative effects of diversity is highly inconsistent (Bowers et al. 2000, Webber & Donahue 2001, Williams & O'Reilly 1998) and raises the question of whether, and how, the perspectives on the positive and the negative effects of diversity can be reconciled and integrated.

The case for workplace diversity needs to be argued on social justice principles, because there isn’t enough evidence for the economic efficiency argument.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Me too! I used to frequent their Matrix room a year or so ago and it was a very nice place. Very refreshing to find a tech community that made me feel like I could say what I wanted without being interjected by STEM and debate lords. Unfortunately life drove me away from the project, especially now that I work remote and barely leave my home, but every now and then I feel like contributing again just because of how n…

Well, they banned folks for really minor reasons from their Matrix channel, e.g. saying "Hi guys, I have a question about ..." can get you banned. So no, this CoC leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth for the entire project.

I have no memories of that happening. They'll probably tell your not to use the word "guys" in that context though, which is fair imo.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Does BitTorrent fall under that? Or YouTube? Plex? Google Drive?

BitTorrent, yes. YouTube, no. They take down videos with copyrighted material.

So by extension browsers allowing file downloads also falls under that? That's just what BitTorrent is after all.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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For example one of nodes : We are are a curated Funkwhale music server promoting libre audio - usually released under Creative Commons licenses and through netlabels. https://open.audio So this should answer your question. It's legal because it's not illegal.

Not just that. Sharing access with a friend would fall under fair-use. I've been meaning to deploy this at my home server, but then with Covid and WFH my need to have it available outside has been reduced dramatically.

Which copyright law are you talking about? My impression is that streaming a reasonably large collection of copyrighted music (say 10,000 tracks) to a reasonable number of friends (say 10) would not be considered fair use by U.S. courts. The RIAA doesn’t sue people for this because it’s hard to detect and the damages are too small to cover legal costs, not because they accept it as fair use.

In the Betamax case, the Supreme Court said that it would not be fair to use copyrighted works in a way which “if it should become widespread … would adversely affect the potential market for the copyrighted work.” Time-shifting was not considered to adversely affect the market for commercial TV. But surely a tool like Funkwhale, “if it should become widespread,” would adversely affect the music streaming industry?

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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I see it supports Raspberry Pi installation. Can anyone speak off-hand to what the performance is like on a Pi, or what generation minimum is recommended? I'm assuming my original Pi Model B might be a little long in the tooth, and my Pi Zero might be under-speced. But I could see myself setting this up on a newer Pi and plugging in my 1.5TB external into it to share out all my music with my family. Right now I've go…

Could you not use a Pi to mount the samba share for funkwhale and expose funkwhale/ the pi that way?

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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> It does not mean "people who liked this song also liked that song" Actually, yes, it does (and many other things too), but to be fair "good" is a highly subjective judgment which is going to be different for everyone. I don't think, at this point in time, we have recommendation engines that can do much more than fling out recommendations based on an unknown convolution of your listening history combined with music…

The problem with "people who liked this song also liked that song" is that very often I don't want to listen to that song now even if it's something I really love. If I'm listening to ambient music I don't suddenly want to be ambushed by something uptempo. If I'm listening to e.g. Debussy, you might be excused for suggesting something vaguely new age in a similar mood and tempo, but certainly not rock. Another proble…

> you can't just take raw overlap in tastes, because some people like "everything", and the fact their tastes overlap with mine does not mean I'll like everything else they like.

I think that these recommendation systems, especially youtube's, are much more nuanced than you're suggesting. And I say this as someone who finds these recommendation systems lacking and of limited utility compared to discovery from reading Pitchfork, for example. They're trying to balance quite a lot of inputs and actually somehow make money from it.

Also, "genre" and "mood" of a piece of music are not easy to define, let alone measure. You're asking for a lot and I don't think what you're asking for is realistic from a piece of software.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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post #274

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Not just that. Sharing access with a friend would fall under fair-use. I've been meaning to deploy this at my home server, but then with Covid and WFH my need to have it available outside has been reduced dramatically.

Which copyright law are you talking about? My impression is that streaming a reasonably large collection of copyrighted music (say 10,000 tracks) to a reasonable number of friends (say 10) would not be considered fair use by U.S. courts. The RIAA doesn’t sue people for this because it’s hard to detect and the damages are too small to cover legal costs, not because they accept it as fair use. In the Betamax case, the…

How is this different from the case of a dude with a big CD collection and a copier who tell his friends "bring blank cds and burn copies if you want anything"?

Who would they sue, how would they monitor the usage and how would they enforce anything?

With torrents and big sites it's easy to show who is distributing what and the distribution can be done by anyone.

This is a decentralized tool that can have its access controlled. The only you could get sued is if you have a really shitty friend who goes to court and brings evidence showing you distributed too many songs.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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I noted it when I typed it.

And? So you are aware people sell things they make, to live? and they hope not to sell to just one person who's paying $1 to put it online for 100,000 people to have it not sold. And that's ok with you because you don't, or don't need to, make a living creating music. Try thinking about this from the perspective of whatever it is you do to make a living.

You're right, I initially missed that it was for sharing music with others, not just organizing your own.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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For those interested, I also write an open source web-based music player with an Android app that uses youtube and soundcloud as the backing for tracks (iframes on desktop, youtube-to-mp3/soundcloud mp3s on Android):

https://github.com/benkaiser/stretto

Planning on removing the Google auth dependency it uses right now for syncing and song searching.

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