GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned • Hacker News Board

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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Post by tweetle_beetle » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 1:48 PM UTC

ric2b wrote: post #261

tweetle_beetle wrote: post #125

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> youtube-dl is a tool mostly used by techies anyways This is just speculation, but I think that there may have been a tipping point reached where it is no longer being just used by CLI "techies". It has been incorporated into other tools which appeal to a much wider userbase - many of whom will never know they are using it behind the scenes. For example, there is: a user-friendly front-end for it in Kodi [1], an eas…

Those tools are built by developers, which will have no issue with getting access to youtube-dl in more technical ways.

Presumably the point of the action is to disrupt the ongoing development of youtube-dl, not delete the code from the internet. I don't know much about the codebase, but I assume that YouTube could put time into breaking compatibility if it was known that the project had lost momentum and couldn't keep up. It takes a lot of effort to keep up with a well funded organisation - see NewPipe, etc.

Of course you don't need GitHub to run an open source software project, you could conceivably do it with IPoAC[1] if you really wanted to. But in the real world, being kicked off the most popular platform of its kind, and losing the community and integrations that come with it, is going to slow the project down.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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Post by realusername » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 10:35 AM UTC

Mindwipe wrote: post #269

realusername wrote: post #175

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> It wouldn't be legal in any of those territories - those explicit copyright exemptions don't apply to content that you're not licensed to have permanently or broadcasts. On my case (French laws), there's no exception for that: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI00000... as long as it's a private copy. > European law also requires member states to have laws against breaching technical protection…

I'm afraid that the French Supreme Court disagrees with you on both points ( https://www.hoganlovells.com/~/media/hogan-lovells/pdf/publi... ) As it must, because the European directive has primacy.

That's a different problem, this is judging the legality of DRMs. Copyright holders unfortunately still have a right to add DRMs into their media but consumers also have a right to break them for their personal copy.

I personally think DRMs should be plain illegal since you have a right to copy for your personal use, that would make more sense, but here we are, that's some middle ground.

Re: GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned

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Post by woofie11 » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 7:04 PM UTC

gamblor956 wrote: post #216

Rochus wrote: post #207

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This subthread is about Switzerland, see above. And the action is also on thin ice in the USA. The assumptions on which the takedown is based on are very questionable. I am curious to see how the proceedings that have now been initiated will turn out.

No, the RIAA notice is on pretty solid ground in the U.S. You'll note that organizations like the EFF haven't weighed in on this like they normally do when content owners get overzealous with enforcing IP controls, nor have many of the usual IP law commentators. And more importantly, the youtube-dl creators would have already filed a response if the RIAA notice was as week as so many people in this thread have claime…

Filing or not filing a counter-notice isn't just a question of who is legally right, but also of who can afford a litigation. I doubt the youtube-dl authors have the budget to fight this.

The EFF has commented on this:

https://twitter.com/EFF/status/1319787243184123904

"Youtube-dl is a legitimate tool with a world of a lawful uses. Demanding its removal from Github is a disappointing and counterproductive move by the RIAA."

I'm not sure why you're posting misinformation.