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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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post #184

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Who knew that even when you fund a company, if you get qualified people with integrity, they'll stop you from peddling foreign nation misinformation even if you're the boss.

You seem to have insider info that the rest of us are not privy to. What misinformation was he attempting to spread?

The fact that Ukraine has been trying to spread these emails, coincidently around the same time Giuliani happened to be there, which ended up getting the president impeached.

https://www.businessinsider.com/time-hunter-biden-emails-sho...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Greenwald has really fascinated me the past decade. He was on track to being one of the most prolific reporters on the planet, and he has gone really down this weird victimhood "censorship" path. Sometimes it’s legitimate censorship. Other times, your editor is just insisting you don’t spread misinformation.

"victimhood"? I find it hard to believe this comment is anything but gaslighting. Did you actually read his resignation? The editors are refusing to publish a story unless he removes all sections critical of Joe Biden. How in the world is this playing the victim card? The conversation regarding censorship is getting disgusting at this point. Censorship should be the main focus of ANY and EVERY journalist, full stop.…

The idea that the Intercept has a blanket prohibition on criticism of Joe Biden is transparently ridiculous.

https://theintercept.com/2020/09/02/biden-foreign-policy-war...

https://theintercept.com/2020/09/01/biden-economic-policy-us...

https://theintercept.com/2020/08/13/biden-latino-deportation...

https://theintercept.com/2020/08/07/joe-biden-climate-policy...

What Glenn’s whiny rant leaves out is that it wasn’t just the Intercept that refused to run the Hunter/Ukraine/China BS: reporters at the NY Post and Wall Street Journal both refused to put their names on the story. The NY Post had to use a producer on Tucker Carlson’s show, while the WSJ ran the story as an op-ed since the reporters again refused to tarnish their reputation (they also ran a story from the actual reporters rebutting the allegations)

Editorial judgment and criticism is part of free speech. It is not just about broadcasting the president’s re-election propaganda as loudly as you can. And the idea that Glenn Greenwald can be trusted rests entirely on his 2007-2015 work, and ignores how disgraceful, craven, and just plain pathetic he became in 2016. Anyone who appears on Tucker Carlson’s show simply should not be trusted.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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After the past few years, I do not share that assessment of Greenwald in the least. Following him on Twitter for a while caused the scales to fall from my eyes. I think he's done some good things in the past, but currently he seems off his rocker, honesty. People can change as they age, and I think he clearly has.

Can you elaborate?

He has stuck by his claim -- despite the findings of numerous national and international intelligence community investigations and even a Republican senate investigations -- that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election.

And despite his founding of the Intercept in part to investigate abuses by people in power (and his constant criticism that the press never publishes negative articles about people on their side) he has never written a single article critical of any of the abuses of power by the Trump administration. Not a single article critical of anything Trump has done in the past four years. [1]

1. All articles: https://muckrack.com/ggreenwald/articles

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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post #86

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I would withhold any opinion that it is a "garbage story" until actually reading it...

It is about emails which have no headers, that are impossible to verify, that were “known to fbi” for a long time but didn’t produce any action (because likely fake), and that are specifically being pushed to change outcome of election despite, again, no real evidence of their veracity.

We need to have faith in the general public that if this story comes out, along with the set of doubts that you just mentioned, that the public will be able to interpret it accurately.

Keep in mind that _you_ are a member of the public.

Your statement is counter to fundamental thesis of democracy. We must believe in the intelligence of the public to make an educated decision.

Your statement is also counter to the fundamental thesis of capitalism. We must believe in the intelligence of the consumer to make an educated decision.

If you don't believe in the sanctity of the public to make educated decisions, than what do you suggest we do to restore the fallen pillars of our society? You no longer believe in the capability of the public to perform capitalism and democracy. Rather, you believe that some subset of society should wield the power to influence the lower masses. Like rats in a maze.

Now, that I have characterized this harsh dichotomy for you, you must face the question are you a rat in a cage or are you one of the puppet masters?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Keep in mind we're just seeing Greenwald's side of this. It sure sounds like he's trying to paint it a way that makes him look good and the Intercept look bad. Lots of claims of "censorship" etc. I want to hear their side of it as well. My guess is that there's a lot more to this story. My guess is if all his peers thought the claims were not solid enough to publish, there is probably a reason for that -- not simply…

> not simply a desire to "censor" someone they've worked with for years. This reads as though you're implying The Intercept existed independently of Greenwald. They didn't, he co-founded The Intercept . He ought to (and I imagine, he does) have seniority on any editor. I think it speaks volumes about him as a journalist and his journalistic integrity that he setup The Intercept as an outlet where he and his co-founde…

That's an incredibly low bar for praise.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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You're propagating disinfo - in the real sense of the word, not the modern Orwellian meaning - with this line of criticism. Because this is a story that has absolutely been vetted, but the issue is all of the left-leaning mainstream media (read: literally everyone except parts of Fox News) have absolutely refused to cover this story. Do you really believe if the same story were about a member of the Trump family, tha…

Take a minute to step back. What do you think is more probable. That every single news organization out there, every single journalist, including NPR as you mention, are trying to hide this very real story and are wrong, while the one publication is in the right. Or that maybe, just maybe, it's the other way around and NYP published something that has not been well vetted?

> What do you think is more probable. That every single news organization out there, every single journalist, including NPR as you mention, are trying to hide this very real story and are wrong, while the one publication is in the right. Or that maybe, just maybe, it's the other way around and NYP published something that has not been well vetted?

Great thought exercise. I'm happy to inform you that I have actually already considered both scenarios and am confident that it really is this:

> every single news organization out there, every single journalist, including NPR as you mention, are trying to hide this very real story and are wrong

If you look back at the media in the last four years that shouldn't be as surprising as you are implying.

Although I take issue with "every single journalist", since the point of Greenwald's piece, among others, is that even if one journalist wants to tell the truth, they will be suppressed.

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To go more concrete here though, are you specifically claim that the materials are not real, or that the story of how they were acquired is false? The former is absolutely undeniable; the latter is up for debate but I personally don't even think the laptop repair shop story is fabricated.

I personally watched (part of) the video of Hunter Biden smoking crack while receiving a footjob, so unless you think it's a body double or a deepfake there is no doubt in my mind that these documents are real. Furthermore the big smoking gun is the financial documents which should be trivially easy for a journalist to debunk. So if you want to question how the materials are acquired, go ahead, but the documents themselves are real, and they show very questionable business dealings in China, Ukraine, and Russia.

BTW, the existence for years now of the Russia Collusion hoax - namely, the debunked notion that Trump is a vassal of Vladimir Putin and directly colluded with Russia to win the US election - should tell us everything we need to know about the intellectual integrity of the corporate press.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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post #183

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My conclusion is the opposite. The Mueller report was heavily redacted, and misrepresented by AG Barr - precisely because it is so damning. Trump got impeached by congress over the Ukraine scandal later on, again enlisting foreign help. Trump asked a foreign power to help him against a political opponent - the Ukraine facts are not in dispute. Trump's campaign took multiple meetings with Russians bearing emails, and…

> The Mueller report was heavily redacted, and misrepresented by AG Barr Why would Mueller not say anything to that effect then?

He did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barr_letter#Reactions

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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post #117

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You're right that it's not how this works. Media organizations are not interested truth or accuracy of their stories, but simply how many ads and subscriptions the stories can sell. And that's not the say they are motivated by greed - even worse, they are often motivated by missionary-like zeal to promote a cause. So of course it would follow that they have no interest in publishing anything disagreeable to their rea…

Media is completely sold out in the country. A purge is incoming.

Disagree with the media all you want. Leave your "purge" talk in the garbage where it belongs. This is NOT a place to promote violence.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

It's not like we're talking about some random story that appears out of the aether; it's a story from a cofounding journalist. Glen wanted this agreement between editors and journalists: editors will not censor the journalists they employ. The Intercept violated that.

To put it another way, what's more likely?: that Glenn Greenwald just suddenly decided he'd like to publish garbage articles, or that the Intercept is seeking to filter what content it publishes to achieve political aims?

Obviously it's up to each individual to make their own call on that, but to me, it's pretty obviously almost the latter.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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"victimhood"? I find it hard to believe this comment is anything but gaslighting. Did you actually read his resignation? The editors are refusing to publish a story unless he removes all sections critical of Joe Biden. How in the world is this playing the victim card? The conversation regarding censorship is getting disgusting at this point. Censorship should be the main focus of ANY and EVERY journalist, full stop.…

The idea that the Intercept has a blanket prohibition on criticism of Joe Biden is transparently ridiculous. https://theintercept.com/2020/09/02/biden-foreign-policy-war... https://theintercept.com/2020/09/01/biden-economic-policy-us... https://theintercept.com/2020/08/13/biden-latino-deportation... https://theintercept.com/2020/08/07/joe-biden-climate-policy... What Glenn’s whiny rant leaves out is that it wasn’t ju…

This is wrong. The WSJ did report as The Editorial Board (means all of them).

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bidens-and-tony-bobulinski-...

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