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French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by codegeek »

bluesquared wrote: post #264

Here in "flyover country, USA" I was looked down upon for asking to use two weeks of my own PTO after my company's new 'generous' two week paid parental leave. That request was constantly pushed off until the week of my wife's induction, when it was formally declined. I was told the request was 'excessive' and that generally the woman needs more time to recover but the father doesn't need much time. I guess our menta…

It is absolute Capitalism. Apparently, Americans have gotten used to it because supposedly the only other option to us is "Socialism". There is no middle ground. God forbid we ask for Capitalism with a little bit of social safety net.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by mrweasel »

rapsey wrote: post #101
onion2k wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's 5 or 6 hours a day for 5 days a week. Do you think toddlers just look after themselves for the rest of the time?

I don't know how it works in your country, in mine kids are in kindergarden while the parent(s) is at work. After that it has both parents available.

That kinda depends on your working hours, which pretty everyone who doesn't encounter the problem seems to forget.

Two or three days a week I'm alone with my daughter for most of the afternoon and evening. My wife works retail and isn't home until right around our daughters bedtime.

If I worked in retail, you could easily end in a situation where I'd be home during the first opening hours of the daycare, but not be home for 4 hours in the afternoon and evening where daycare isn't available.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by WrtCdEvrydy »

bluesquared wrote: post #264

Here in "flyover country, USA" I was looked down upon for asking to use two weeks of my own PTO after my company's new 'generous' two week paid parental leave. That request was constantly pushed off until the week of my wife's induction, when it was formally declined. I was told the request was 'excessive' and that generally the woman needs more time to recover but the father doesn't need much time. I guess our menta…

> I was told the request was 'excessive' and that generally the woman needs more time to recover but the father doesn't need much time.

Honestly, would have just looked for a new job and dipped.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by chromanoid »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #274
bluesquared wrote: post #264

Here in "flyover country, USA" I was looked down upon for asking to use two weeks of my own PTO after my company's new 'generous' two week paid parental leave. That request was constantly pushed off until the week of my wife's induction, when it was formally declined. I was told the request was 'excessive' and that generally the woman needs more time to recover but the father doesn't need much time. I guess our menta…

> I was told the request was 'excessive' and that generally the woman needs more time to recover but the father doesn't need much time. Honestly, would have just looked for a new job and dipped.

Easy thing to say, he was expecting a child...

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by chromanoid »

codegeek wrote: post #271
bluesquared wrote: post #264

Here in "flyover country, USA" I was looked down upon for asking to use two weeks of my own PTO after my company's new 'generous' two week paid parental leave. That request was constantly pushed off until the week of my wife's induction, when it was formally declined. I was told the request was 'excessive' and that generally the woman needs more time to recover but the father doesn't need much time. I guess our menta…

It is absolute Capitalism. Apparently, Americans have gotten used to it because supposedly the only other option to us is "Socialism". There is no middle ground. God forbid we ask for Capitalism with a little bit of social safety net.

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Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by originalvichy »

andrepd wrote: post #227
fsloth wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It's more of a matter of culture and priorities than excessive expenses.

It's a matter of money more than it's a matter of "culture".

It’s only a matter of money if everyone is not forced to allow it. As long as it is equally enforced it is not that big of a damper on things.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by sokoloff »

ben_w wrote: post #239
andrepd wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a matter of money more than it's a matter of "culture".

Any nation with a mandatory retirement age/state pension that normal people live long enough to revive for at least one year, necessarily has enough money to let typical parents look after their kids for at least six months per parent per child.

Necessarily has enough money to pay the social security amounts for that time (in exchange for pushing everyone’s full retirement age back by two years, not one [0])

The bigger problem is I think the average US SS beneficiary takes home around $1400/mo (and they would be Medicare-eligible, unlike most new parents). My mortgage alone is a substantial multiple of $1400/mo.

[0] The one year for one year trade ignores the growth at Treasury rates between the age-at-use and current retirement age. That could easily be 35 years which is a doubling at 2% interest rates, so we’d have to push back everyone’s social security retirement age back by 2 years to fund a max of $1400/mo for 1 year for each child. If we ever return to 4% Treasury rates, that would be 4 years delay for everyone to fund it. 8% is over 15 years’ delay (mathematically is slightly under 15, but so few people draw 15 years that the actual delay would likely be 16 or more years) and we’ve had 8% Treasuries during my adult lifetime.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by fileeditview »

lm28469 wrote: post #247
fileeditview wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's important to note here that paid means 67% of you net salary but only up to 1800€. While this is nice, this is not enough to just live off for most people (that don't have a lot of savings).

> this is not enough to just live off for most people I don't think many people can pull the "the state doesn't provide enough to have kids" card in Germany to be honest. At some point people have to understand that yes, having a kid means you will have less money at the end of the month and will most likely result in personal sacrifices.

I never said that.. I was just stating the facts because the parent comment made it sound like you get 12 months for free.
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