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Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by wwright »

vmh1928 wrote: post #239
wwright wrote: post #234

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The education system literally exists to serve corporate America.

Pretty sure the education system exists to serve the education system. Big Ed is an industry unto itself, you don't need the nefarious corporate America behind it to make it a money-extracting cabal. $120k in student loans and a liberal arts degree in French Literature from a big-name college? The college bears no risk if the consumer of their product cannot pay on the loan. Hard to see how that serves corporate Amer…

I was thinking primarily of the public education system (through high school). I think you are right that the university system is more sel-serving. However, even there I think it is mostly a servant of the neoliberal economic machine. The insane loans indenture the professional class to the banking class.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by a1369209993 »

reaperducer wrote: post #190
cactus2093 wrote: post #177

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You kind of took it off the deep at there with the last sentence. Sure the Trump dept of education has been especially bad, but you can't blame all of the past decades of US public education mediocrity on corporate interests. Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. Or unions. While teachers unions have been great for teachers, they've been lousy for teaching.

Teachers unions are only great for bad teachers; for good teachers they are at best grossly inadequate (see klyrs's response), and often outright harmful (for much the same reasons they're harmful to teaching).

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Post by mtnGoat »

TYPE_FASTER wrote: post #71
oblio wrote: post #63

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I'm honestly interested about this, Facebook is a big company. Is there no case of FB screwing over its partners? Like locking or limiting an API that they had offered in the past, etc. One thing that comes to mind immediately is that Facebook Messenger used to be accessible through XMPP and then they blocked that.

At one point, I wrote a script to crawl developer documentation at Google, Facebook, and Microsoft, and compare vs. the previous day so we could know ahead of time about breaking API changes. So yes, it's funny to me that Facebook is calling out Apple for changing their platform when Facebook does it all the time.

And they love to do so without much or any notice to developers.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by AnonHP »

> Ultimately, despite our best efforts, Apple’s updates may render Audience Network so ineffective on iOS 14 that it may not make sense to offer it on iOS 14.

Translation: The iOS changes are making the platform more like a printed newspaper. So please continue to spend your ad budget with Facebook because we have X monthly active users and we’re the top in social media.

> We expect less impact to our own advertising business, and we’re committed to supporting advertisers and publishers through these updates.

Translation: We will do everything in our power to track users and collect more information from our already invasive apps. While we’re happy to keep making money here, please continue to advertise with us on our platforms because we have X monthly active users and we’re the top in social media. Innovation is at the heart of what we do. Did you see our TikTok clone in Instagram lately?

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by A2D5F69A »

dialtone wrote: post #258
AlexandrB wrote: post #109

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This is a pretty shitty move by Apple! Having said that, I can still disable Apple's tracking. I cannot easily do this with Google or Facebook. So while separating the first and third party preferences a shitty move, the changes to tracking protections in iOS 14 still do protect users.

You can 100% easily disable tracking with Google and Facebook. They both are required by GDPR and CCPA to provide the tools to do that. In both cases you can go in your account and disable targeted ads. Do it.

> disable tracking with Google and Facebook

> go in your account and disable targeted ads

Those are not the same thing.

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Post by nomel »

adrr wrote: post #233
shajznnckfke wrote: post #181

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Facebook’s top ad business on iOS is for app installs. Their cross-app tracking is how they demonstrate that the ad resulted in app sales. Apple is cutting that off here. As you mention, Apple’s competing ad service is also for app installs.

Apple will actually hurt themselves with this change. The apps that can afford to advertise have a paid component to generate revenues. Apple taxes this revenue at 30%. I don’t get why they are going after FB when they aren’t a threat and Social media is the reason to people upgrade your phone to get a better camera. Not to mention the revenue FB drives in App Store purchases.

From my naive perspective, it looks like they’re taking their privacy stance so seriously that they’re willing to lose some revenue.

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Post by eitland »

Ensorceled wrote: post #211
bitxbit wrote: post #144

At this point you have to assume a round of antitrust lawsuits once the US govt returns to normal. But you have to wonder how they will divide the big tech or whether DC will even have the expertise required to implement something credible and effective.

What, exactly, would be this grounds for an anti-trust lawsuit for this change? I mean, I can see a viable anti-trust action for the Hey.com/Epic fiascoes and the ongoing 30% app revenue fees...

The WhatsApp acquisition didn't exactly improve the messaging landscape either.

On the browser side one company has really been using their market position in a different market (ads) to outcompete at least two commercial browser engines while the independent open source one has been reduced to fraction of what it once was.

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Post by kalleboo »

What amuses me is that all Apple is doing here is putting up a dialog asking if the user wants to be tracked. And Facebook knows just how much users hate being tracked, so they are avoiding the API that results in the dialog.

Yet their rhetoric is "tracking is great and people love it! they're going to be so sad once tracking is gone!"

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Post by csunbird »

adrr wrote: post #232
csunbird wrote: post #114

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Do not worry, the device identifier by Apple is rarely used anyways, usually ad networks identify the user either by fingerprinting or the app developer willingly giving away personal information like e-mail or login information.

Curious how you fingerprint an iOS device? I assume you can’t pull MAC, installed apps or anything that would be unique per phone owner.

I am actually not sure, but they do it somehow.
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