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Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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Post by Noumenon72 »

cosmodisk wrote: post #231
gorgoiler wrote: post #195

With the utmost respect to you and the other commenters here, when I see positivity about the abstract, hypothetical technical merits of something with a long history of, in practice, being part of an extremely controversial power play it reminds me a lot of the comments I see promoting a widely installed piece of process management software — one which a lot of people don’t really want, whose subtle changes to layer…

You might want to work on reducing the length of your sentences- it's very hard to get the meaning behind them.

To me all the difficulty is caused by the obscuration. Once you get to the point where he refuses to say which software he's talking about, your attention scatters to all the different things he might be referring to. If I talk about Oracle's subtle changes to layers of abstraction, you can read the sentence and decide whether that describes Oracle well or not. If I talk about "a widely installed piece of process management software" doing that, everything else I say is just a riddle trying to figure out which one.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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Post by hjek »

nokya wrote: post #251

I have my own proxy filtering all my desktop and mobile traffic, anything 'AMP' is filtered spot on. Sometimes nothing shows up, sometimes the original server responds after a few seconds. I'd rather not see the page at all than play this game.

Try the Redirect AMP to HTML[0] browser add-on to get out of the game without getting blank pages. There's also Privacy Redirect[1] for getting out of the Youtube / Twitter / Instagram / Google Maps game.

[0]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/amp2html

[1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/privacy-redir...

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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Post by 7leafer »

cosmodisk wrote: post #231
gorgoiler wrote: post #195

With the utmost respect to you and the other commenters here, when I see positivity about the abstract, hypothetical technical merits of something with a long history of, in practice, being part of an extremely controversial power play it reminds me a lot of the comments I see promoting a widely installed piece of process management software — one which a lot of people don’t really want, whose subtle changes to layer…

You might want to work on reducing the length of your sentences- it's very hard to get the meaning behind them.

You might want to work on extending the span of your attention, there's pretty dismal future ahead if people have trouble extracting the meaning from a few lines of text.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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Post by ElliotH »

gorgoiler wrote: post #195

With the utmost respect to you and the other commenters here, when I see positivity about the abstract, hypothetical technical merits of something with a long history of, in practice, being part of an extremely controversial power play it reminds me a lot of the comments I see promoting a widely installed piece of process management software — one which a lot of people don’t really want, whose subtle changes to layer…

I struggle to see how comparing people who like particular technical products to supporters of dictatorships shows any of the "utmost respect" to any commenters that you claim at the start of your comment.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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Post by archon810 »

esafwan wrote: post #35
superasn wrote: post #2

Yes this has been a big issue for a very long time now. Google wants to push a release where it will display the hostname of the amp site even if the content is being served from google.com[1]. Mozilla (and Apple) are strictly against it and thank god for Mozilla. If Google had a bigger market share this would already be something we would have been living with. I'm sure there are better sources for this, but here is…

Have a look at this: https://blog.cloudflare.com/announcing-amp-real-url/ Cloudflare allow using of same domain to use AMP. In this case, content is served from Cloudflare CDN.

It's called Signed Exchange and it's the same thing the comment you replied to is about.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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Post by simias »

gorgoiler wrote: post #195

With the utmost respect to you and the other commenters here, when I see positivity about the abstract, hypothetical technical merits of something with a long history of, in practice, being part of an extremely controversial power play it reminds me a lot of the comments I see promoting a widely installed piece of process management software — one which a lot of people don’t really want, whose subtle changes to layer…

I don't like systemd and I think it's an overengineered mess of dubious value but comparing an open source linux init system to the long game Google seems to be playing to act as a proxy for the web is absurd and doesn't make any sense at any level.

Your comment is pure flamebait without any insight.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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Post by esrauch »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #253
gsnedders wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Signed HTTP Exchanges, for Google to modify the content that is served, Google would need access to a private key for a certificate for nytimes.com, no? Either nytimes.com has handed over that key or Google would have to create a key/certificate for nytimes.com. Believing Google would maliciously issue certificates seems a stretch to me. I don't like AMP nor much of how Google has behaved with it ( http://exple.…

> but let's stick to what's actually happening with SXG No, Signed HTTP exchanges are something that Google dreamed up so people don't have to see their hegemony over the modern web (or as the article you linked calls it, a shakedown). It's not a browser standard so far, because of Apple and Mozilla's resistance. There are legitimate ways for NYTimes to allow Google to serve content on behalf of them, like so many ot…

> Why should people create new standards for HTTPS and URLs simply for Google's benefit?

Because of the exact reasons that people are complaining about in this very thread: they want NYT to control the content and display the domain name appropriately, but they want to serve it from Google servers and allow for eager prefetching without leaking private details.

Today it would be easily possible if NYT just gave Google their private cert, but then Google would be able to serve any content they want as NYT. With the proposed solution they can display the content NYT wants without being able to serve arbitrary other content.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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Post by cosmodisk »

7leafer wrote: post #273
cosmodisk wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to work on reducing the length of your sentences- it's very hard to get the meaning behind them.

You might want to work on extending the span of your attention, there's pretty dismal future ahead if people have trouble extracting the meaning from a few lines of text.

My attention span is long enough to read and understand what was written here,but that's beyond the point. Long, multipart sentences are hard to read in general. This isn't my own anecdotal data point: most newspaper or book editors would have similar guidelines. Whether someone decides to usesuch rules, is up to them.
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