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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by bigbob2 » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:20 PM UTC

ShamelessC wrote: post #95

nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

I'm generally on Assange's side in all of this. I agree he shouldn't be charged and this is all a disgrace. Having said that, I once went to wikileaks and found a PDF of Steve Job's supposed STD test which claimed he was HIV positive. That was a surprise to me as my understanding was that he died of cancer. I looked into it and no one could corroborate the story and the general consensus seemed to be that it was fake…

What does that have to do with Assange being charged?

EDIT: It seems any effort to seek clarification is discouraged here. My apologies.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by thg » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:22 PM UTC

DavidVoid wrote: post #258

okamiueru wrote: post #229

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I thought this was well established and obvious for anyone who followed the case. The timeline for this whole ordeal, the motivation for the original complaints, the contact the suppose victims had and the messages they wrote after the fact. Not to mention the breach in anonymity for these cases in Sweden. As such, I don't think these are "grand accusations", this is more what one should reasonably conclude, if you f…

If it's such a "well established and obvious fact" then cite some sources and give some proof that the accusations were faked.

https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea...

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by recursive » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:22 PM UTC

rorykoehler wrote: post #171

aka1234 wrote: post #163

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I too am shocked that Wikileaks would publish tabloidish material with little public value. Next thing you know, I'll hear that Wikileaks posted private emails of a government official talking about pizza. Emails which spawned ridiculous conspiracies about satanic child abuse cults headquartered in the basement of a pizza shop that doesn't have a basement. That would never happen. Not at an august, hard-hitting journ…

Still waiting for a valid explanation of what pizza is code for because they certainly aren’t talking about pizza the food in those emails.

You may be waiting for a long time. That doesn't really provide any support for the satanic child sex cult thing either though.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by hootbootscoot » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

... more shooting the messenger... villains.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by hootbootscoot » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

BFatts wrote: post #235

ShamelessC wrote: post #95

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I'm generally on Assange's side in all of this. I agree he shouldn't be charged and this is all a disgrace. Having said that, I once went to wikileaks and found a PDF of Steve Job's supposed STD test which claimed he was HIV positive. That was a surprise to me as my understanding was that he died of cancer. I looked into it and no one could corroborate the story and the general consensus seemed to be that it was fake…

I'm generally against Assange on all of this. Hacking is an illegal activity that results in the disclosure of information that the hacker does not own. This is theft of information and a federal offense. Anyone engaging is nefarious hacking should be jailed, if caught, and never allowed to use technology again. We have very lax laws when it comes to hacking - they need to be stronger.

And if it exposes war crimes? Crimes against humanity?

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by 0x8BADF00D » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

mmcwilliams wrote: post #267

0x8BADF00D wrote: post #168

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As a public figure you cannot have any reasonable expectation of privacy. That’s different from saying what should be done with his private medical records.

This seems to fly in the face of the prevailing opinions on this site about Scott Alexander of Slate Star Codex having his full name printed in the NYT.

He’s not an officer of a publicly traded corporation, and has no fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. It’s a completely different case from being doxxed.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by bassrattle » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:28 PM UTC

_curious_ wrote: post #224

rorykoehler wrote: post #171

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Still waiting for a valid explanation of what pizza is code for because they certainly aren’t talking about pizza the food in those emails.

Has it been proven that those emails were real in the first place? I too was confused by the use of what appears to be coded language, but then thought to myself: wait, is what I am reading authentic?

Yes, the emails were real. It was proven and never denied.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by burkaman » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:31 PM UTC

bigbob2 wrote: post #271

ShamelessC wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm generally on Assange's side in all of this. I agree he shouldn't be charged and this is all a disgrace. Having said that, I once went to wikileaks and found a PDF of Steve Job's supposed STD test which claimed he was HIV positive. That was a surprise to me as my understanding was that he died of cancer. I looked into it and no one could corroborate the story and the general consensus seemed to be that it was fake…

What does that have to do with Assange being charged? EDIT: It seems any effort to seek clarification is discouraged here. My apologies.

It doesn't, it's a response to "I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never published anything that has been proven false. Not once."

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by lordlimecat » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:32 PM UTC

fit2rule wrote: post #213

thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #49

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>I think it says something that this is the best you can come up with. Hi I can basically see you sneering with a "gotcha" face through that text. Sorry but Assange's history of leak revisionism, favoring Russia specifically, is deep. When Assange was working with "Anon" who was really an FBI snitch, he accepted files hacked from Syria. When they were released they were missing information about Russia including bank…

Where there is smoke, there is fire. Ask yourself this: why is it so important to leak information that is being held in secrecy by a state that is committing war crimes at an alarming rate ? The answer is: because the 5-eyes War Coalition is committing war crimes at an alarming rate. It literally started what it hoped to conflagration into World War 3, by invading Iraq illegally and on false pretences in 2003. And e…

> And every day since that invasion, the world has been on fire.

Obviously things were peacable around the world beforehand, and every conflict or human rights violation since then can be blamed on the Iraq invasion.

Never mind that civilian casualties by coalition forces are absolutely dwarfed by those by the opposition, or that US in general gets an extremely high degree of scrutiny and commits relatively few war crimes / civilian casualties.

This is a brilliant attempt at distraction from the incredible corruption and human rights violations from other countries such as Russia. Should the US get a free pass? Of course not, but it's rather tiresome to hear Chinese and Russian agitators say "but what about the 10k civilian casualties over 10 years" while asking the world to please ignore the Uighur genocide or the invasions of Ukraine.

The fact is that Wikileaks has a well established bias. They publish things that are true when it harms the US, and often leave out as much exonerating context as possible. Collateral murder for instance specifically tried to downplay the aspects where the gunner provided a rationale for engaging and sought approval, instead using voiceovers and editing to imply a lack of ROE.

>Millions of innocent people have been massacred by the USA and its War Coalition in an utterly dire conflagration.

I'd love to see a source on this. The most critical estimate I've seen (Iraq Body Count) has coalition innocents killed around 30k, Over 15 years. While opposition are over 300k. Please source your facts.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by ryanlol » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:32 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #262

nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

"Never proven false" is an Orwellian turn of phrase, because WL's concern with accuracy is obviously not overriding: https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/757599082928082944?lang=en Also: why would I care that Hammond was prosecuted? Hammond was caught dead to rights.

FWIW Zeynep isn’t concerned with accuracy either, WL did not dump private info of almost every woman in Turkey. This is simply a strange misattribution, the dump came via Emma Best of DDoSecrets, http://web.archive.org/web/20160727193612/https://twitter.co...