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Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by TAForObvReasons »

munk-a wrote: post #262
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is both the developer of Apple Music and the operator of the iOS App Store. Apple's Apple Music app is using a tactic on the Google App Store, while Apple's iOS App Store is blocking certain third parties from doing the same. The implication isn't "Apple Music should be barred" but rather "If Apple is working around the 30% cut in other companies' walled gardens, maybe they shouldn't be blocking apps that try t…

Is Apple actually technically the owner of both or are they using some "partially controlled former subsidiary" related BS to try and duck out of responsibility?

It's worth checking before blindly downvoting:

The seller of Apple Music on the google play store is Apple Inc https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.andr...

The developer of the iOS app store is also Apple Inc: https://www.apple.com/ios/app-store/ (check the copyright at the bottom)

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by newbie578 »

Why are people still defending Apple even after all these obvious examples surfaced?

Spotify definitely explained it the best. timetoplayfair.com

The current status quo needs to change, Apple and Google are duopols, and they need to be reeled in.

Imagine if you were a mobile developer and overnight Google accidentally banned you without reason. Your entire life is thrown upside down, and you don't have a way to fix it except accepting it like you aren't worth anything.

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by tanjtanjtanj »

munk-a wrote: post #268
snowwrestler wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like saying 7-11 has a monopoly on what is sold in 7-11 stores. If I want a copy of the King James Bible and 7-11 chooses not to sell that, I have to leave 7-11 and go find another store that does. Yes, that's a barrier I have to go through to get my Bible. Should the government make it 7-11's responsibility to solve that for me?

I'm not certain how this is considered to be analogous - is the assumption that other retailers would need to forward customers to 7/11 when 7/11 carries a good a client is interested in? As a possibly better analogy... Let's say I run a Flea market and also direct sell some items to customers. I charge independent retailers a fee for setting up a booth in my market space and don't excise that same fee from my own bo…

> and raise an exception all the way to city hall that the mall attempting to charge me for running a booth in their property is impeding the free flow of commerce and hurting the local economy

Except Apple has never made that argument to anyone. They simply added a way to pay for their subscription directly in their app rather than in the Play Store; Something Google allows.

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Post by notatoad »

bduerst wrote: post #205
cwhiz wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is a minority player in every single market in the world, including the US. You can't have monopolistic behavior without a monopoly. You can't be a monopoly if you are not the market leader. People want this to be a legal issue but it's just a market issue. If people don't like these policies they shouldn't buy Apple products or release apps on Apple devices.

>You can't have monopolistic behavior without a monopoly This is wrong. Monopolistic behavior is anti-competitive behavior that doesn't require having a market monopoly. Think of it as a pattern of behavior that moves you towards having a monopoly.

>This is wrong. Monopolistic behavior is anti-competitive behavior that doesn't require having a market monopoly

okay, sure. but it's only illegal when you have a monopoly.

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Post by bjt »

oillio wrote: post #171
Despegar wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That's correct. But the law does require them to run the stores in a way that does not violate antitrust laws. Apple is violating antitrust laws by forcing companies to use Apple Pay as a condition of using the App Store (i.e., leveraging dominant/monopolistic market position in one market in a non-competitive manner over another market). The reason why everyone has to narrowly define the market to "Apple has monopo…

Apple has control of the iOS App market. It is a pretty large barrier for a customer need to switch platforms to get an app that Apple has denied access. I am not a lawyer, but that sure smells like the potential for monopolistic control.

A big chunk of the arguing in an antitrust case is about how the relevant market should be defined. A plaintiff bringing a suit against Apple might define it as "the market for iOS apps", but Apple's lawyers would argue for something much more broad, like the "the market for computer software". My hunch is that the court would probably land somewhere in the middle like "the market for mobile apps." Apple's still a big player there but far from a monopolist.

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by mattl »

jayp1418 wrote: post #246
mattl wrote: post #78

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An iPhone SE is $400. I know Apple have a lot more R&D money than Purism, but it doesn't even feel comparable. I don't want to run Android. If anything I'd have two phones: an iPhone and a Pinephone.

Makes sense or have nokia feature phone with kaios and pinephone

I still want a smartphone.

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by notatoad »

kevincox wrote: post #87
hortense wrote: post #64

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Google Music is 30% more expensive when purchased via iOS. If that seems insane, it's because it is.

To be honest this seems perfectly reasonable. I think we should pass on costs to the consumer more often. In North America you can make up to 5% back on purchases by using credit card. This is because the store pays a fee. I don't see why this shouldn't be paid by the consumer. This is effectively overcharging cash customers for the availability of a service that they don't use. I think the long term effects would be…

>I don't see why this shouldn't be paid by the consumer.

unless something has changed recently, the retailer's agreements with Visa and Mastercard prohibits them from charging extra for credit card payments.

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Post by dang »

actuator wrote: post #270
dang wrote: post #259

Is there a better source for this? A screenshot and an indignation comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23564731 ) are poor initial conditions for a thread, but this thread seems to be doing well despite that, so I don't think we need to demote this submission, but it would be better to find an article to change the URL to.

It is not super clear from this but is mentions choosing your payment method and using your Apple id: https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/use-apple-music-on-android/...

That article probably doesn't match the topic of this thread closely enough, so changing to it would probably just add confusion.

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Post by CivBase »

baxtr wrote: post #253
actuator wrote: post #232

I really don't understand why people are defending Apple on this. It seems shameful of a $1.5 trillion company to do this to developers. Even more so when they themselves don't abide by their philosophy. They are extracting out a competitive advantage from this on other services like Spotify or Netflix( even without this they have a big one at app discovery and pre installs on iOS). Kudos to Google for allowing the d…

Imagine for a second distributing an app in 175 countries around the globe including all the tax details. I think it's fair to participate on such a global platform and a price for it.

We have and continue to distribute apps around the globe without Apple acting as a necessary middle man. It should not be a required service.
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