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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by moosey »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #69
blunte wrote: post #30

Why was this post flagged?

Because it's not on topic. It is almost definitely crime or politics. From FAQ: What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting…

Hackers should be interested in this. It's clear that social media has a hand in the current state of society, however you feel about it. I have a sense that people that don't want violence are going to win politically, and soon. When they do, there will be repercussions for all social media and commenting style systems. HN won't escape this.

If people who want violence win the next set of elections, then that should also be of concern to hackers of websites. Take a look at the actions of the US president, after being called to task for breaking TOS.

With the geopolitical changes that will come about due to the coronavirus and upheaval that is beginning in the United States, it seems that social/web technology is central to geopolitics. It really stuns me that our conscientiousness to society, or lack thereof, isn't discussed far more often.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by Jenz »

take_a_breath wrote: post #93
epistasis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the level of impunity of "I am the law" instead of laws being laws, has taken over far too many in the police department. The level of police misconduct that's been captured in camera in the last few days is disturbing. There's always one police officer that rushes into a peaceful situation, from behind, and starts violence. This sort of assault on humans is taken to be their responsibility, apparently, and a…

==I think the level of impunity of "I am the law" instead of laws being laws, has taken over far too many in the police department.== Never heard it put quite this way. Well said!

Being a punctuation mark enthusiast, I’m very interested where you got that ⟨==xxx==⟩ notation from

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by curiousgeorgio »

couchand wrote: post #265
curiousgeorgio wrote: post #262

Context is huge in cases like this, and I still haven't seen a video showing the beginning of the reporters' confrontation[1]. Does anyone have a link to a video that shows what happened prior to the videos that are being widely publicized? [1] This one shows a bit more at the beginning, making it look like the crew had already been asked at least a few times to move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvbXWAHad-4

You're right, context is huge. The area had already been cleared of protesters. There was no imminent threat of any kind. The crew of a national news organization showed their valid credentials. There is absolutely no excuse for this.

> You're right, context is huge. The area had already been cleared of protesters. There was no imminent threat of any kind.

I'm asking if you or anyone else has video proof of that. Are national news organizations exempt from an order like this to move (I know in some cases they are, but again, the lack of contextual proof here makes me question what they were told prior to what we've seen).

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by bruceb »

splitrocket wrote: post #87
sparkling wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when the looting starts the shooting starts Harsh words, but at the end of the day, people will defend their property with a gun and have every right in doing so.

Yes, extrajudicial murder to protect physical property, that's justice. When you care more about stuff than you do about actual human lives, your evil is showing.

Depends where you live. The duty to retreat is different depending on location.

Shooting someone over dollar store items is dumb. But defending your sole proprietorship you have built up and is the only thing you have, understandable.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by bityard »

JSavageOne wrote: post #113
monocasa wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause. > What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? None > Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? No punis…

That's horrifying. Why don't we change the law?

Laws that give the police _less_ power are generally written in blood. Meaning, there has to be a pattern of clear and obvious abuse for any change to happen. For instance, the now near-ubiqitous police body cams are a result of multiple well-publicized unprovoked beatings and murders.

The reason for this is that no politician is going to willingly step up for more police oversight and restricted powers, for at least a couple of reasons:

1) They will be painted by their opponents as "weak on crime" or even "supporting criminals" at election time.

2) They risk losing votes from emergency services workers, which are quite a large demographic in local elections.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by LorenPechtel »

JSavageOne wrote: post #183
kfrzcode wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: I'm wrong, the video I had seen was slightly abridged. The video camera turns on while they were (likely) already told they will be arrested. They were perhaps ordered to move and did not move. The National Guard and state troopers in that particular area ( Downvoters: please add comment why, or else this isn't discourse

There were never ordered to move, it's all captured on film in that video. When the reporter asked "why am I being arrested?" the cop refused to even answer.

Everyone was ordered to move out of the area. They were asking for specific instructions on where to move to and didn't get them because there was no answer to that--the police didn't want them out of the way, they wanted the whole crowd gone.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by jmull »

lurquer wrote: post #226

So, state police -- on a loudspeaker -- are "ordering" people to "leave the street immediately." The reporter admits he was told "to clear the area." The loudspeaker -- again -- explicitly states to "go back in the direction you came from." The reporter admits on air that they were "requested to move back." The cameraman also admits on air that "We were just out here reporting the CLOSURE OF THE STREETS." The dumbass…

In the video linked here -- which you seem to be referring to -- the reporting team is surrounded by police throughout and can't move anywhere.

If there's video from earlier that shows the reporting team doing something arrest-worthy, it would be good for your argument to link to it since there's nothing here that looks like it.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by monocasa »

corrupt_measure wrote: post #267
elil17 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope that anyone seeing this situation and thinking, “I’m not sure how race plays into this,” will go back and learn some more about the history of race in America. I think a good starting place is the podcast “1619” which does a really good job investigating where racial problems in America came from. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/podcasts/1619-podcast.htm... Perhaps it’s naïve of me to think people will want…

The entire 1619 Project and its premises have been rejected by many prominent historians, both black and white. The 1776 Project was actually formed by a number of prominent black intellectuals in repudiation of the 1619 Project and I would encourage you to take a look at their work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1776_Project Given that the NY Times has been involved in some nasty racist scandals and reporting in rec…

The 1776 project is the epitome of the very propaganda you're talking about.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by popularrecluse »

corrupt_measure wrote: post #259
newacct583 wrote: post #4

Not an argument for this site I guess. But this is what happens when you have political leaders picking sides in violence. Trump literally tweeted "when the looting starts the shooting starts" (not before this event, of course -- it's an example). You think rhetoric like that doesn't have the effect of empowering police to abuse their power against people they don't like?

> "when the looting starts the shooting starts" That's simply a recognition that looting begets violence, meaning that the looting must be stopped before things become more violent, and a call to action to those who appear content to let the looting run rampant as if it's somehow OK or justified. In such an escalation both protestors and counter protestors would be shooting, so bringing the situation under control qu…

Thank you for Trumpsplaining that one. Boy, I need to get better at hearing it like it is.
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