It appears that Microsoft has now initiated the "Extend" phase of their classic Embrace, Extend, Extinguish playbook. The key is that the proprietary Microsoft specific API added by this patch is only usable in a WSL environment as it relies on many pieces of proprietary closed source software that Microsoft is unwilling to open source. This patch does nothing but fragment the Linux ecosystem and encourage people to…
I find this a cynical take as far as EEE goes. But even with Microsofts mostly solid efforts into open source I find myself a bit skeptical as well. Most recently with the Live Share extension for VS Code. From skimming the licensing it is only to be used with the Visual Studio family of products. Which is an incredibly disappointing approach. I think this is simply about ML and GPU compute for WSL. And I think Micro…
DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux
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Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This will eventually be a full graphics stack Are we seeing the start of the migration of Windows to linux?
My guess is that MS and Apple are both slowly trying to steer their ship in the same general direction as ChromeOS: a stable, locked down OS that runs applications in dedicated sandboxes/containers/VMs. No longer does the OS need to provide the same "shell" to those applications. You don't need a library-based wrapper to the syscall layer. The paravirtualized hardware is the new syscall layer. You can wrap whatever O…
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Wait, is chocolate and peanut butter really a thing?! That sounds quite horrible to my non-US ears. Edit: yep, an online search seems to say that's an actual thing. I guess I'm part of the ten thousand today https://xkcd.com/1053/ . I will never understand the US fascination for peanut butter.
> I will never understand the US fascination for peanut butter. At one point in history, US farmers were encouraged to grow peanuts as a rotation crop to improve soil quality. That led to a glut of peanuts in the market, so people tried to find uses for them. Peanut butter was invented+ as one of these uses, and has been a staple of American diets ever since. +Or promoted, I can’t remember
Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux
#274It appears that Microsoft has now initiated the "Extend" phase of their classic Embrace, Extend, Extinguish playbook. The key is that the proprietary Microsoft specific API added by this patch is only usable in a WSL environment as it relies on many pieces of proprietary closed source software that Microsoft is unwilling to open source. This patch does nothing but fragment the Linux ecosystem and encourage people to…
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That's exactly what Wine is.
It's exactly what Wine wants to be. Sadly that's not quite the same thing.
But there is another way there - running Windows in a VM with GPU passthrough - works beautifully in my case.
Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux
#276It appears that Microsoft has now initiated the "Extend" phase of their classic Embrace, Extend, Extinguish playbook. The key is that the proprietary Microsoft specific API added by this patch is only usable in a WSL environment as it relies on many pieces of proprietary closed source software that Microsoft is unwilling to open source. This patch does nothing but fragment the Linux ecosystem and encourage people to…
people need to stop using windows, entirely. i recently built a gaming machine, pretty high spec, and i've resolved to never install windows on it. there are plenty of games i can't play, a few that i would like to. but i wont give money to developers that wont release linux versions of their games - even when they are utilising engines that have linux ports (PUBG being the most recent example i can think of, but any unreal/unity engine based game). there's no reason to use windows any more (for people like us, at least).
Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are also adding an wayland server. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/the-windows-subsy...
> These changes are on the WSL’s team roadmap and you can expect to hear more about this work by holiday 2020. As if describing things in terms of northern hemisphere temperate seasons wasn’t bad enough (and still worse commonly showing how little you care about any place other than the USA and maybe Canada by using the name “fall”), now we have this: “holiday 2020”. I don’t know when this is talking about. I’d have…
Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux
#278This title is misleading, I saw it and got really excited that someday we may be able to game on Linux.
Someday? You can already game on Linux.
Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux
#279It appears that Microsoft has now initiated the "Extend" phase of their classic Embrace, Extend, Extinguish playbook. The key is that the proprietary Microsoft specific API added by this patch is only usable in a WSL environment as it relies on many pieces of proprietary closed source software that Microsoft is unwilling to open source. This patch does nothing but fragment the Linux ecosystem and encourage people to…
As a FreeBSD user I find this kind of comment hilarious given I see Linux specific code littering upstream open source projects with no thought for other platforms on a regular basis. I occasionally see resistance to fixing these issues as well.
Why for example are Jails not compatible with Linux? Is that not considered upstream because FreeBSD's "integrated"? How convenient.
I think what you see is happening because these "upstream" projects are actually primarily for Linux and by Linux devs. They just happen to work on BSD as well, but weren't you guys saying this whole time how the BSD approach of having everything integrated into one system is better and the whole GNU/Linux ecosystem of several upstream components is strictly worse?
So what exactly are you complaining about? Us trying to use Linux-specific features to make the Linux ecosystem the best, rather than target the lowest common denominator while you guys take full advantage of FreeBSD's specifics?
Seems less than fair to me.
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I've had trouble researching if WSL2 is in fact a hyper-v managed VM. I've seen some documentation referring to WSL2 as a tightly integrated Krypton (scaled down hyper-V) VM. It seems to imply the host overhead isn't as high as a guest on hyper-V
WSL uses a Hyper-V derived virtual machine that is * Sparse & light - they only allocate resources from the host when needed, and release them back to the host when freed * Fast - it can boot a WSL distro from cold in Full Hyper-V VMs aim to (generally) grab all the resources they can and keep hold of those resources as long as possible in case they're needed. Full VMs are designed to run for months-years at a time.…