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Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

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Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

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I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

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Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

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As an Australian who has privacy concerns their government's COVIDSafe app (see https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing ), and hence not installing it, I'm really thankful that Apple and Google are pushing this model of contact tracing. We still don't know if digital contact tracing is effective in practice, but it's still important to try, but we can do this in a way that avoids giving governments with worrying au…

Another consideration that seems to have been obscured by the debate on privacy and the narrow focus on the particular client implementation of the app is the significant problem of false positives and negatives. A lot of voices have spoken out about this issue overseas (particularly in the US) while many local tech voices have skipped considering this at all. See: * Previous FTC CTO / Obama Whitehouse senior adviser…

We need to be driving test numbers up until only 3-5% are showing positive in order to be confident about low prevalence in an area. I don't see a problem with false positives encouraging asymptomatic people to get tested - it's as good of a sub-population as any.

Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

#273

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

Show me any institution that has maintained trustworthiness for all of history, and I'll consider trusting Apple/Google/our govt. with the ability to tell where every citizen is and who they associate with for the rest of the future.

orrrrr don't install it at all, or delete the app when Covid-19 is no longer a threat like I plan to do.

Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

#274

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

The anti-vax movement challenges science itself; the anti-Google/Apple movement challenges corporate-level ethics and human control over identity. You can independently reproduce experiments demonstrating the efficacy of medicine. You can’t reproduce the faith that you place in your own corporation.

Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

#275

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

> I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge.

You frame that like society itself or the people that make up society are somehow at fault. Perhaps the issue is that elements of society like Apple have taken actions or have failed to take actions which would have engendered the sort of reaction that you would prefer to see.

If Apple wants my trust they need to earn it.

Why should I give Apple my trust again after being burned by them repeatedly?

Does Apple even trust me?

Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

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They will ban and flag your account if your app just mentions the word Covid. It is absolutely absurd. Only Google is allowed to make a Covid app.

With the sheer amount of scam, privacy invading apps that are preying on people’s fear, can you blame them?

Yes, I can. They should do their job of vetting the apps. They have a disclaimer that it will take 7 days then they just reject it for being tangentially related to Covid even if it could have a positive impact.

Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

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I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

Why are you so sure the data remains private? Has Apple never handed data over to the gov. for investigations criminal and otherwise? Some of the genetic companies hand data to the FBI. The reason is great and moral, tracking down serial killers and the like. But, still, regardless of how good the proximate reason, the overarching trend is not so great. And yes, I'm sure all the telecoms, hospitals, etc. also hand ov…

Apple complies with warrants, yes. Do you think they should not?

Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

#278

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

In your example, institutions built up trust and it was broken by some third party. Public health was compromised as a result. In the case of privacy, the trust was broken by the institutions themselves (Facebook, Apple, Google, Microsoft, US gov obviously as well). Public privacy was eroded as a result.

Yeah it's really self righteous of an Apple employee compare their employer to the entire international multi decade effort to develop and distribute life saving and civilization changing vaccines.

Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

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They will ban and flag your account if your app just mentions the word Covid. It is absolutely absurd. Only Google is allowed to make a Covid app.

It may be a bit harsh, but it makes sense. Too many people are trying to take advantage of the situation to pull scams. It's a lot easier for Google to operate on a whitelist model than a blacklist model.

No, it doesn’t. They can do the exact thing Apple is doing which is to accept or reject each app on an individual basis instead of blanket refusing every app that is even related to Covid.

What they’re effectively doing is creating a monopoly in the private sector. No other private company is allowed.

Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

#280

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

is the private data PRISM safe?
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