I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…
Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system
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Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an Australian who has privacy concerns their government's COVIDSafe app (see https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing ), and hence not installing it, I'm really thankful that Apple and Google are pushing this model of contact tracing. We still don't know if digital contact tracing is effective in practice, but it's still important to try, but we can do this in a way that avoids giving governments with worrying au…
Another consideration that seems to have been obscured by the debate on privacy and the narrow focus on the particular client implementation of the app is the significant problem of false positives and negatives. A lot of voices have spoken out about this issue overseas (particularly in the US) while many local tech voices have skipped considering this at all. See: * Previous FTC CTO / Obama Whitehouse senior adviser…
Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system
#273I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…
Show me any institution that has maintained trustworthiness for all of history, and I'll consider trusting Apple/Google/our govt. with the ability to tell where every citizen is and who they associate with for the rest of the future.
Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system
#274I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…
Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system
#275I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…
You frame that like society itself or the people that make up society are somehow at fault. Perhaps the issue is that elements of society like Apple have taken actions or have failed to take actions which would have engendered the sort of reaction that you would prefer to see.
If Apple wants my trust they need to earn it.
Why should I give Apple my trust again after being burned by them repeatedly?
Does Apple even trust me?
Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system
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They will ban and flag your account if your app just mentions the word Covid. It is absolutely absurd. Only Google is allowed to make a Covid app.
With the sheer amount of scam, privacy invading apps that are preying on people’s fear, can you blame them?
Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system
#277I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…
Why are you so sure the data remains private? Has Apple never handed data over to the gov. for investigations criminal and otherwise? Some of the genetic companies hand data to the FBI. The reason is great and moral, tracking down serial killers and the like. But, still, regardless of how good the proximate reason, the overarching trend is not so great. And yes, I'm sure all the telecoms, hospitals, etc. also hand ov…
Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system
#278I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…
In your example, institutions built up trust and it was broken by some third party. Public health was compromised as a result. In the case of privacy, the trust was broken by the institutions themselves (Facebook, Apple, Google, Microsoft, US gov obviously as well). Public privacy was eroded as a result.
Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system
#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
They will ban and flag your account if your app just mentions the word Covid. It is absolutely absurd. Only Google is allowed to make a Covid app.
It may be a bit harsh, but it makes sense. Too many people are trying to take advantage of the situation to pull scams. It's a lot easier for Google to operate on a whitelist model than a blacklist model.
What they’re effectively doing is creating a monopoly in the private sector. No other private company is allowed.
Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system
#280I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…