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Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more

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I can try to give you the most "good faith" argument in favor of allowing Blue States to go bankrupt. There's a caveat here that the Federal laws will need to change a bit to allow States to go into packaged restructuring. And to ensure that we are bailing out specific individuals to ensure that they are not too negatively affected. One of the strongest arguments against "bailouts" of large corporations is that it ne…

The artificial safety net provided to states as opposed to corporations is for the fact that it is important for all states, even the most underperforming to have a standard level of infrastructure and overall competitiveness. The whole concept of republic like the US is partly based on bringing up the rear. This is why poorer states have less leverage and must offer more incentives to businesses to induce economic a…

> The artificial safety net provided to states as opposed to corporations is for the fact that it is important for all states, even the most underperforming to have a standard level of infrastructure and overall competitiveness. The whole concept of republic like the US is partly based on bringing up the rear. This is why poorer states have less leverage and must offer more incentives to businesses to induce economic activity. Richer states already have advantages of being the incumbent including various resources to draw and keep businesses.

This is a great ideal, in theory, but the flip-side of it is that in reality if we don't have any sort of negative consequence for unsustainable policy-making, you have a moral hazard, and institutional corruption and rot. Heaven knows there is a lot of that at the State and local level. You ultimately need some creative destruction in the long-run to ensure that we have the best possible governments. I heavily caveated that we must make sure that, in the short run, the poorest are taken care of. Insofar as one would be in support of allowing States to fail in a "good faith" way, it would be if the Federal policy ensured that the poorest among us are bailed out and taken care of in the short run.

> These same states (often blue) have higher taxes to fund their barriers to entry with surpluses that give them the capital to weather aberrant situations like these.

Sure, and a lot of Blue states will be fine and not have to go into packaged restructuring / bankruptcy. For a lot of States (both Red and Blue), the most worrisome line item is the defined-benefit pensions — they promise a certain return that has never happened and will never happen. These pensions will _never_ be solvent. Most people in Illinois under the age of 50 know that they will probably never see a dime of these pensions, and that's terrible. You would want to push States to more sustainable pension systems, maybe a Sovereign Wealth Fund like Singapore / Scandinavian countries, or just raw publicly funded 401(k)s. If those same pension plans instead put the annual contributions into the S&P500, they would have been more solvent than they are today.

> In addition, it is difficult to argue that constituents will vote for their economic best interests if social issues are more top of mind in redder states.

I mean, you have to let constituents look out for themselves in a democracy. If they don't vote in their economic best interests, then that means those societies favor different outcomes. All of these states have republican forms of government with checks and balances to ensure that democracy doesn't turn into mob rule. Letting Blue states go into bankruptcy might even be better off for Blue states and worse off for Red states, but the underlying idea is that we need to let States test out different approaches to welfare and infrastructure and prevent long-term institutional rot.

> This will only exacerbate the problems without a federal solution in place.

Yes, hence my caveat to bailing out individuals.

Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more

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Those with pensions tend to be union members; the pension being a benefit insisted upon in negotiations between unions and their (government) employers. If a state declares bankruptcy, lists pensions as a debt, and the federal discharges the pension debt, the GOP can thumb their noses at unions in a very big way.

> Those with pensions tend to be union members I still don't understand. Surely almost every professional has a pension, but few people are in unions.

Do you agree that context matters? If you use context clues you can figure out that we're talking about one particular definition of pension, and that is the employer-funded definition. What's the point of your pedantry?

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The state of California is actually in a pretty decent financial position. In fact, the blue states are net contributors to the federal budget while red states are net negative (they take more resources than they provide back in federal taxes) If there weren’t any blue states around to sign the red state welfare checks, they’d be in a pretty poor position.

According to Mercatus Center fiscal rankings, 4 out of 5 of the bottom 5 fiscal performers are run by democrats: illinois, new jersey, conneticut and massachusets. Kansas, a red state, is the outlier. https://www.mercatus.org/publications/urban-economics/state-...

Mercatus is a Koch funded think tank -- hardly unbiased and a poor source here.

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If you were a member of the media and the President of the United States - of any party - suggested people try injecting bleach as a cure (for anything), what would you do? What would you say about other politicians who implicitly supported such irresponsible behavior. This isn't even a political question - I mean it's basic science. Bleach.

Nobody suggested injecting bleach, please stop spreading exaggerated misinformation.

In the interest of complete clarity and understanding I went and found the exact transcript and this was exactly what was stated:

“I see disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. "

Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more

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Very few people in the United States have pensions. Mainly pensions are available for state employees, or union members. And for that matter, state employees tend to be part of a union. Unions are responsible for pensions, and the only people who have held onto them as the 401k has taken over. Edit: Because I apparently can't reply to chriseaton below - 401k is defined contribution, you contribute $x which is a set a…

I think a 401(k) is a pension? Almost all companies offer a 401(k) for full-time employees.

Not within the context of this discussion. Using your context clues > childish pedantry.

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> overtly willing to attack opposite-party state governments It might be straight-up politics. But there is a real situation where state governments have been financially mismanaged. Should the "working class" person in Alabama without any retirement prospects be forced to bail out (via the Federal Gov't) the state of California's very generous pensions that were not fiscally sustainable in the first place?

Edit: Apparently a lot of users on hn in Cali. I'm just throwing random states names out there.

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This seems like a great time for Amazon or Google to buy Lyft. Amazon could bundle rides with package deliveries and get the pre-existing driver and passenger network from Lyft. Lyft was actually telling drivers to work with Amazon when the pandemic started (1). Waymo could take Lyft’s aggregated rider demand. They already have a partnership to transfer autonomous rides from Waymo to Lyft during bad weather situation…

This seems like a great time for Amazon or Google to buy Lyft Or maybe Apple. Apple has been pouring millions into improving its street views in Apple Maps. It should buy Lyft. Pay the drivers an extra $x/mile to clamp the Apple Maps image gathering device to the roofs of their cars. The drivers win because they get a bump in income in an industry that's already hurting. Apple wins because it gets up-to-date informat…

> Apple wins because it gets up-to-date information about the places where people go most.

Apple is already doing this - my iOS Maps has real time traffic in areas where I know that they're only getting this information from other iOS users, not from reporting devices.

Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more

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If you were a member of the media and the President of the United States - of any party - suggested people try injecting bleach as a cure (for anything), what would you do? What would you say about other politicians who implicitly supported such irresponsible behavior. This isn't even a political question - I mean it's basic science. Bleach.

Nobody suggested injecting bleach, please stop spreading exaggerated misinformation.

Ok then you tell me what he said. Why would he claim it was a joke a day later? Why would that even be a joke? Whats funny about that?

I'm definitely no liberal but I seriously cannot believe how obsessed you guys are with defending this dumbass

Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more

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- The tech companies having issues during covid-19 are all heavily invested in travel/transportation(Uber/Lyft/Airbnb etc). - They also are in industries that entirely use gig workers with personal contact in 90% of their services(airbnb the least of these). - I don't see other tech companies getting hit this hard(the sky is not falling!). - I really, really hope these laid off engineers find other jobs quickly and l…

The tech companies you identified are getting hit 1st. I expect to eventually see fallout in Fintech, Realestate, Advertising, anyone selling B2B SaaS (particularly to marketing/HR/ sales departments, SMB), etc. It will take time to feel the 2nd and 3rd order impacts. Hopefully, we bounce back quickly, but it's hard to not be a little concerned.

Realestate has already been hit hard. Opendoor had like a 40% layoff + furlough.

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End game is: GOP knows they're gonna lose the election. They want to hand the dems the worst economy possible. Then, 4 years down the road, they can start campaigning against "do-nothing-dems" and point to the horrible economy they had to start fixing.

Dems are going to lose the election and are actively attempting to sabotage the current presidency as much as possible. I don't believe you actually think what you're typing. Who's paying you lol?

Go drink some bleach and then we can talk about who is sabotaging this administration.
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