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Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Bulky non-perishable packaged manufactured goods are not shipped by air! It would add quite a bit to the cost of this gesture to rent out three 747s for shipping it. This is pointless. If the fastest shipping method available took a month, you'd be imagining crafty sick Chinese people stowed away, breathing on the masks for the entire journey. You have a sickness, but it may not be COVID-19...

You realize that there are countries that are in complete lockdown, right? These are not normal, but very serious times. If all a country had to do was pay for the use of 3 full 747s, for a mere 12 hour flight, to get a solution to save countless lives .. sounds logical to me that they'd expedite the delivery. Due to the fact that is a very serious, urgent, global pandemic. It blows my mind that during this global cr…

As suggested by others, you do have a sick mind. Why don't you simply propose that people just quarantine the masks in a stock room for 72 hours instead?

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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I would think the same if it were the US or Russian government. Why do you think the US invested so much into feeding East Germany? It was to save lives, to regrow an economy, and for PR against the Soviets. I'm a massive conspiracy theory skeptic and spend an inordinate amount of time trying to debunk them, but this is just how geopolitics work, have always worked, and will likely still work for centuries or millenn…

> Many actions have multiple motives. That's what I'm saying. And this specific way of thinking is focusing on the worst of the motives and treating them as if they were the main motives, the most important motives, the most worthwhile motives to observe and point out, maybe the only motives worth mentioning.

My original post:

>I have no doubt his intention really is to save lives, but a secondary motive is surely also PR. Perhaps the Chinese state had some role in this, as well. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I could see a possible benign conspiracy like them using Jack as a proxy to distribute these.

I said it was a secondary motive, and that it was a benign conspiracy theory. I only leaned this way due to the fact the outbreak originated in China and because Jack Ma may not have been able to do this without the approval of the government. That means it's fairly likely he either had to request approval, in which case the government may have approved for PR reasons, or it's possible they reached out to him and proposed or demanded it.

Even if it were the Chinese state doing it formally, I'd still say the primary motive is to save lives, even if there were also other motives. Like how the primary motive of the Belt and Road Initiative is to increase trade and uplift poor countries, but there are many other motives, as well. Again, this is the case for all large governments, not just China - the difference here is just the lack of separation between private and governmental action in China, which makes it difficult to tell to what extent this is Jack and to what extent this is the state. If it were somehow proven the state weren't involved in any way, then I would think it was more likely than not that Jack didn't have ulterior motives.

Either way, it's not something I care much about one or way the other. I wasn't the original person to say it was a power move - I just disagreed with the parent poster who suggested it being a global initiative made it less likely to be a power move. No matter his/their motives, it's very good he and/or the Chinese government are doing this.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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It absolutely is a power move. That's why when Cuba is struck with a hurricane, they reject American aid [1], despite being a relatively poor country who could obviously benefit from it. [1] https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=943791...

That only tells us that Cuba is inclined to view such offers as "power moves". Is the Gates Foundation an organization devoted to making power moves around the world?

I think the Gates Foundation is not regarded as a political organization.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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How does Korea have 15 minute tests (from when a sample is collected) and we're excited about a 2 hour or 4 hour one? I'm not being flippant, I imagine that whatever korea is doing they've been open about it and we know how to do manufacture everything and perform those 15 minute tests, but I imagine there must be some reason that we aren't doing them.

How does Korea have 15 minute tests They don't. The drive through stations send samples off to a lab that uses a 5–6 hour process. If memory serves, a Hong Kong company devised a 45 minute test otherwise in most places you're looking at hours not minutes. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51836898

You're right. I swear I saw some article that said that South Korean drive through would text results as fast as 15 minutes, but looking at a couple more reports just now all said 24 hours.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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You realize that there are countries that are in complete lockdown, right? These are not normal, but very serious times. If all a country had to do was pay for the use of 3 full 747s, for a mere 12 hour flight, to get a solution to save countless lives .. sounds logical to me that they'd expedite the delivery. Due to the fact that is a very serious, urgent, global pandemic. It blows my mind that during this global cr…

As suggested by others, you do have a sick mind. Why don't you simply propose that people just quarantine the masks in a stock room for 72 hours instead?

Name calling will get you far in life. Have a great day!

/End of pointless conversation with you/

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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If you pay close attention, you actually didn't refute my logic at all but called it "garbage" and "false". Ok man, you need to learn how to think through stuff and come back when you're ready.

I personally did not refute your logic because it doesn't matter if it's correct or not. It assumes falsehood and leads to "garbage" conclusions. Why would anyone want to consider what implication chain have you constructed between false and false?

I'm guessing you have nothing to refute because you don't have an opinion that matters. Have a great day!

/End of pointless conversation with you/

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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The Chinese are people like you and me. Yes their government needs a lot of work, but people are people and we need to remember that more.

I'm not American or Chinese, so I read your statement as: The American are people like you and me. Yes their government needs a lot of work, but people are people and we need to remember that more

I am neither American or Chinese either, I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Re-read your Chomsky, and pay attention. You've fallen far behind. You're talking about authoritarians and the "trial-by-drone" guy left office years ago. I haven't mentioned CCTV. It is a pale imitation of the much more distracting Western news business. We are endlessly terrorized about bullshit, yet somehow nothing I mentioned above was even covered. They don't focus on the vast areas of agreement between the two…

The media tends to align on certain topics because their audience does: make no mistake, media doesn’t bias their audience, it is most definitely the other way around! Where they differ is almost universally where their audiences differ. China is played in western media because that is the perception that their audiences want to see. It isn’t universally negative either, it just is what it is. Media reports negative…

No, influence does not go in only one direction. If it did, it wouldn't go upstream! The TV news broadcasts to us, not the other way around.

In the short term, though, you're mostly right. News media firms program to increase audience engagement. Rachel Maddow didn't particularly enjoy turning her program into all-Trump-all-the-time in mid-2015, but she couldn't really help it. There was a large portion of the cable news audience that couldn't resist the frisson that came from seeing that one guy who had said mean things to people on that one TV show now saying other mean things to other people on the news. These morons would tune into to anything Trump (to some extent, they will still), and as Les Moonves observed it was "damn good" for the bottom line.

It's tempting to assume that the modern news media firm doesn't really care about which direction their product points. The particular cars that crashed don't really matter when the morons just want to see car crashes. We could hypothesize an efficient market and be smug in the sure knowledge that there are no long-term trends. Or, we could pull our heads out of our asses and actually observe the trends.

Maybe USA is so irredeemably racist that China is an easy mark for this sort of media malpractice. Somehow our racism has ignored all of sub-Saharan Africa? And somehow Israel is not only not despised, but is actually celebrated, despite the fact they are every bit as awful to Palestinians as China is to Uighurs? This is a strange reflection of common USA prejudice!

In fact, Israel purchases (often with USA tax money) large quantities of armaments from USA armaments manufacturers. The moment they stopped doing that, or alternatively the moment their rivals seemed likely to purchase even more armaments in hopes of finally destroying them, would be the moment they were seen in a very different light in USA news media. In the long run, every stupid misguided war USA or its proxies fight is preceded by a long run of news media demonization. Maybe that's just a natural thing, but I'm suspicious.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Shouldn't there be hundreds of labs with these machines though? Yes. Roche just got FDA approval on a SARS-COV-2 test that will take four (4) hours that works with two of their (whatever you call the machine) models. Per Roche there are around 110 of those machines in the United States. Bloomberg had estimated throughput numbers and also indicated that Roche has tests that work with some of their other, slower equipm…

How does Korea have 15 minute tests (from when a sample is collected) and we're excited about a 2 hour or 4 hour one? I'm not being flippant, I imagine that whatever korea is doing they've been open about it and we know how to do manufacture everything and perform those 15 minute tests, but I imagine there must be some reason that we aren't doing them.

Also there are blood tests that are dirt cheap and get you the results in 15 mins, but they are only 80% accurate
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