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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by dwaltrip »

Hypx wrote: post #246
AaronFriel wrote: post #191

This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

Sadly, I tried Firefox for a while, and it's big enough of a downgrade compared to Chrome that I went back. A hard fork of Chromium specifically for Edge might not be the worse thing ever. Having two independently maintained versions of that engine might be enough to force more standardization than in a Chrome-only world.

I tried to switch to Firefx once or twice before and failed.

Just managed to finally make the switch.

As silly as it sounds, feature parity on selecting and moving groups of tabs between windows was a big factor.

I still use Chrome at work for development, though.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by mickotron »

tapoxi wrote: post #68
amelius wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms Why don't webdevs fight back and put "best viewed on Firefox" pop-ups on their pages (whenever the user is using Chrome).

Netscape Now!

Netscape lives on in Firefox.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by copperx »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #139
adonese wrote: post #82

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I have been using gmail for quite long time. It is getting ridiculously terrible these days (in the past couple of years I guess!) My old laptop fans go crazy when I launch chrome. It’s too much heavy for a mail client. It’s remarkable how we suck at writing software in the past years.

I haven't used webmail ui in years, and couldn't be happier. All native application deliver far superior experience, are more performance work offline etc.

If only IMAP worked decently in Gmail.

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Post by einr »

simias wrote: post #222
thrower123 wrote: post #169

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It does surprise me how unpopular this sentiment is. Maybe people don't like the idea that most of the algorithms that they interact with a pretty stupid and just weight things by frequency? It does seem like people attribute considerably more intelligence to algorithms than there actually are there. It's not uncommon that I'll have a customer try to tell me that some search or selection algorithm in our product that…

I don't really get it either, I don't think it's super controversial. I think there's an angry mob going after Google and anything not going in that sense is aggressively downvoted. I think that the anger is justified but it doesn't justify making up poorly substantiated conspiracy theories. The hard facts are enough to see what Google is doing anyway, no need to write fanfiction.

Speaking of hard facts, I'm sure that before you decided to call my claim a "poorly substantiated conspiracy theory" you have verified that Google does not alter search results based on user-agent, i.e. by doing the same searches in blank installs of Firefox and Chrome on the same computer, right?

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Post by maremp »

AaronFriel wrote: post #191

This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

As a web developer, I just can't buy into firefox. The chrome/chromium dev tools are far superior.

I also tried using chrome as a "work" browser and firefox for the rest, but it's all a big mess. Not to mention that a lot of pages are not working well.

I am now using Brave to at least mitigate the privacy nightmare of Chrome.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by thu2111 »

bzbarsky wrote: post #220
thu2111 wrote: post #166

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The article where the Mozilla guy complained said two weeks, but, yes. Months is possible. Maybe we have a different definition of quickly. Disclosure: former Google employee, I did many pushes and fixed browser compatibility bugs whilst I was there. In the timeframe we're talking about most products were on a biweekly push cycle. In the ideal case where there was no delay at all between you reporting a bug and it re…

I think we might in fact have a different definition of "quickly", yes. I think we may also have different definitions of "entire product is hosed". If gmail is significantly worse to use (not "doesn't load", just "loads with obvious visual artefacts"), that's obviously enough to get people to change browsers, all else being equal. And just to be clear, there are certainly cases when things got fixed quickly. But "al…

In the early days there were quite a lot of bugs that affected Chrome and not Firefox from what I recall. The problem was Chrome didn't run on Linux or Mac in the first versions, but Google engineers (by policy) didn't run Windows, they almost all ran Linux. So there was a huge testing gap. On the other hand it was helped by the fact that Chrome was basically Safari at that time so Mac users within the firm tended to notice bugs during dogfood/canary periods.

I can't quite recall the timelines, but I remember it felt like years before the Chrome team shipped a native Mac/Linux version. They also fixed a lot of bugs that broke features of the various apps, e.g. lack of printing was a big one for a while.

I imagine you're talking about later when Chrome got really big. But it's hard for me to say what would have happened because when the features are themselves being developed in Chrome there are hardly ever cases like that when it works in every browser except Chrome and this is somehow not noticed during the canary period.

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Post by shirshak55 »

Hypx wrote: post #246
AaronFriel wrote: post #191

This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

Sadly, I tried Firefox for a while, and it's big enough of a downgrade compared to Chrome that I went back. A hard fork of Chromium specifically for Edge might not be the worse thing ever. Having two independently maintained versions of that engine might be enough to force more standardization than in a Chrome-only world.

i tried firefox and actually it is very better now. Last 6 month ago it was not good but now devtools etc is also good. Still not the best but its better than giving every data to google :D

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Post by shirshak55 »

lsiebert wrote: post #262
r00fus wrote: post #252

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When was this? Recently it's great for me - better than Chrome - with the exception that some extensions are Chrome-specific (meaning you have to repackage them for FF).

Hey, can you point me to a good guide for repackaging extensions?

actually it may not work for all extension as chrome uses different api than firefox webextension standard api. I must say firefox extension api is far better than chrome one.

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Post by shirshak55 »

terminaljunkid wrote: post #223
AaronFriel wrote: post #191

This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

Meanwhile your Firefox suffers from really, really bad governance in a suit-dominated organization. The CEO is milking way too much from the sinking ship. The priorities are somewhere else from what people want.

that's other stuff but the privacy principle is still there and we only care about that right? Its the software we care right not their management stuff?
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