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18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by sidarape »

dwheeler wrote: post #186

My personal site was posted on September 12, 1999, is still updated, and has no problems. It;s a static site that mostly uses straight HTML/CSS. There are a few scripts that generate pages, but generating HTML/CSS pretty easy. https://dwheeler.com . Geocrasher said: > I guess what I'm saying is that if you want to build a site to last 25 years without numerous redesigns, build a static HTML page. Yes. I don't get pai…

You could use a static website generator such as Jekyll or Hugo. Then, if the tools stop working for any reason, you always have the generated HTML than you can update.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by Arnavion »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #246
dwheeler wrote: post #186

My personal site was posted on September 12, 1999, is still updated, and has no problems. It;s a static site that mostly uses straight HTML/CSS. There are a few scripts that generate pages, but generating HTML/CSS pretty easy. https://dwheeler.com . Geocrasher said: > I guess what I'm saying is that if you want to build a site to last 25 years without numerous redesigns, build a static HTML page. Yes. I don't get pai…

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Answering your question will unfortunately defeat the purpose of that text being what it is.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by giantrobot »

tasuki wrote: post #184
geocrasher wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I should have said "don't base it on something that CAN'T last". This requires no future knowledge. We know that a WordPress version and its supported PHP will be obsolete.

I've been running a WordPress blog since early 2006 with very little maintenance. I'm sure it's all outdated again, but still appears to work.

If you haven't been keeping the WP back end up to date it's not functionality that's a problem it is security. Unpatched WordPress installs account for a huge portion of malware distribution. There's a number of exploits that allow attackers to upload files to your server. So they upload malicious payloads that exploits then download to infected systems.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by reaperducer »

ahmetkun wrote: post #47
geocrasher wrote: post #30

My favorite "Retro awful": Site: https://www.lingscars.com/

this one looks very retro but the code is actually quite modern. it has custom fonts, css animations, gradients, etc. and no tables.

It's like the visual equivalent of chiptunes.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by reaperducer »

rlv-dan wrote: post #76
matteuan wrote: post #44

It's impressive the amount of content inside! There are countless pages about literature, religion and physics. It's a good reminder of the original goal of WWW: share information.

> It's a good reminder of the original goal of WWW: share information. That is what I miss the most about the old web. We wanted to build something better by sharing knowledge. And for a while we did. Then mainstream came and corporates took over.

Well, to be honest the corporations were always there. It's just when the marketers discovered "cyberspace" that everything went to hell.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by randogogogo »

ath92 wrote: post #166
geocrasher wrote: post #90

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

While this website still works fine, the actual HTML that Frontpage generated isn't exactly easy to maintain if Frontpage stops working for whatever reason. The author of this website is basically stuck using whatever version of Frontpage supports the markup of his website. And I bet there have been plenty of people who used who are no longer able to maintain their website because their editor no longer runs on their…

Looking at the page source it looks dead simple to modify. I know it isn't WYSIWYG but it's just HTML.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by rubidium »

bluGill wrote: post #234
untog wrote: post #99

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I think you can generalise the advice: remove as many processing steps as you can. It's not so much that you needed to guess that HTML was going to be as long-lived as it is, it's that HTML is the final product that actually loads on the users computer, and those tend to stick around for a long time (or at least be emulated). The code that lives on a backend server somewhere, not so much. For what it's worth, I don't…

Google controls the major web engine. I don't trust google to not deprecate parts of html over time because the new shiny is "better". I would rather maintain markdown generators which I can update to change the markup to whatever the latest google insists needs to work instead of rewriting all my documents. I'm currently tasked with writing a UI for a machine that has a 25 year expected lifespan before wear means it…

I sure hope the UI is buttons and not screens :)

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by vraivroo »

wolco wrote: post #224
randomdude402 wrote: post #196

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I know a person who is maintaining a few sites she built in like 2005 with a version of Dreamweaver a little older than that, so never dares to upgrade the Dreamweaver version. The whole thing is terrifying and horrific to me, but they keep paying her to do the work so she's fine with it.

You would just edit the html pages lol. I still use dreamweaver for the visual editor if I need to copy and paste from a pdf and want perfect html. No one has made anything like it. No current editor has a quick sftp that allows you to connect/edit move on.

Coda does.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by scarface74 »

criley2 wrote: post #260
scarface74 wrote: post #248

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So if emulation or a VM is your go to. How is that any different than what yuh can do with older versions of MacOS?

Virtualizating Windows isn't very hard, even back to something like Windows 95. On the other hand, only OSX 10.7+ are really easy to run in a VM, and .5 and .6 only work for servers, and anything before 10.5 isn't really going to be compatible with virtualization. That's 2007, so OSX lets you virtualize back about 13 years, and Windows you can go back almost 30 years. People even have Win 3.1 running in VMware. This…

A quick Google search for running PPC Mac software under emulation.

https://www.thefreecountry.com/emulators/macintosh.shtml#pow...

For the most part yes. If you want to run Mac software you need to own Mac.

As far as going back 30 years. Now you’re in the Classic Mac era. There are plenty of cross platform emulators that run Mac software that old.

If you want to go back 40 years. Apple // emulators are a dime a dozen.

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