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Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Digital Ocean is a great company in a brutal, low-margin industry. Based on having run a similar (now mostly defunct) company in the past, I would guess that 80% of their customers are on the $5/mo plan. That $5/mo has to cover the hardware costs: you're buying expensive physical servers to put the VPSes on, and lots of SSDs too. SSDs have a limited lifetime measured in writes, and some of your customers will leave b…

I sympathise with your customer-support point, but not the others. Customers are paying for cloud resources. If their demands are too much for your infrastructure, the issue lies in your infrastructure, or in your claims to customers.

A customer's need for additional resources should translate to a price-point question, rather than to uncertainty about what they've already paid for.

> SSDs have a limited lifetime measured in writes, and some of your customers will leave broken programs running that chew through this precious resource for no reason. If you throttle them, they'll complain.

High IO doesn't always mean an instance was compromised.

There should be clearly defined limits, and/or a clearly defined throttling policy, and the customer should have the option to buy their way out. Amazon gets this right. There should be no guessing game about reasonable use, or goodwill.

> Those pwned customers are complaining and demanding that you fix it, and the regular customers are also upset because of slowness due to the "noisy neighbor" problem inherent to all VPSes.

High CPU load doesn't always mean an instance was compromised. If you've sold CPU resources, the customer is entitled to use them. Obvious example: build servers.

If other customers experience unacceptable degradation, that means you overpromised, or else your isolation solution isn't fit for service.

Again, Amazon gets this right. They're criticised for their complex billing schemes, sometimes rightly, but it clearly makes sense to measure and be explicit about all resource-consumption. They even have an elaborate scheme to incentivise customers to tame down their CPU usage, in the form of 'burstable performance instances'.

> Anyway, I do hope they can become profitable!

Agreed. It's good to have smaller players, not just the big three of Amazon/Google/Microsoft. Competing on price-point without having the same scale, must be really tough.

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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And now you've discovered the business model for Planet Fitness.

"either force-migrate them to a higher cost service tier, throttle them until they leave, or maybe just slow down their service. The key to remaining competitive in cut-throat industries is knowing where to spend your limited time and money." How does this apply to Planet Fitness in any way?

Lunk Alarms are exactly this: a mechanism for ridding your company of high cost / high maintenance users to focus on the more profitable ones.

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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post #168
post #54

Digital Ocean is a great company in a brutal, low-margin industry. Based on having run a similar (now mostly defunct) company in the past, I would guess that 80% of their customers are on the $5/mo plan. That $5/mo has to cover the hardware costs: you're buying expensive physical servers to put the VPSes on, and lots of SSDs too. SSDs have a limited lifetime measured in writes, and some of your customers will leave b…

> Based on having run a similar (now mostly defunct) company in the past, I would guess that 80% of their customers are on the $5/mo plan. The founders of NordVPN have recently invested in Hostinger[1], which has successfully adopted their extremely profitable pricing model: charging for 2-4 years in advance, by default. This way, even those who would have paid $5 / month and cancelled and a few months later, end up…

Just to be clear: I don't find such pricing models customer friendly, and this is just an example of how some companies manage to find their path in such a "brutal low-margin industry". Since shared hosting – just like VPN – is a commodity product, they primarily focus on marketing, sales, and support.

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Hey folks, Cofounder of DigitalOcean here. Letting people go is always a complicated matter at any scale. Whether you are a ten person company and firing one employee or you are 500 people and firing a larger number. Wanted to address a few statements from the hackernews community here. We are not prepping the company for sale. As unfortunate as the layoffs are they were really due to two CEO changes in the past 18 m…

So basically it's due to bad leadership and office politics... In other name incompetence?

Do you feel that any business that isn’t perfect is run incompetently?

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Thank you for sharing. Our goal with DigitalOcean was always to help more people get involved with technology. The community team that is one of the pillars of DigitalOcean was built by Etel. She herself went through this transition. She graduated college with a liberal arts degree and was working as a bartender because she couldn't get another job. I gave her a book on programming and told her that if she figured it…

I can honestly say that one of the reasons people hop onto DO is due to those amazing tutorials and documentations. I know I was. It's surprising really that in all the praise I threw to DigitalOcean the awesome documentation and tutorials flew under my radar. That's not to say that I don't value them. Rather the complete opposite. They had become such an integral part of my life when getting my hands wet with a new…

> I can honestly say that one of the reasons people hop onto DO is due to those amazing tutorials and documentations.

Seconded.

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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> It's unhealthy for everyone to have Amazon be the only real option for servers I'm not belittling AWS' commanding market share, but they are hardly the "only real option for servers." Google and Azure are both in the leviathan league and have competitive pricing.

Google has the worst customer service I've ever heard of and people get wrongly banned from Google Cloud with no recourse all the time. It's not a real option to do anything vaguely important on.

Not my experience, either. Not a large account by any means, and support is excellent, both from a technical and business point of view.

> people get wrongly banned from Google Cloud with no recourse all the time

[citation needed]

There have been a few isolated cases that generated a lot of bad PR. From what I've heard, there were significant changes in how abuse is handled to address the root cause.

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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The RGPD wall of Techcrunch is a real put-off (Choice partners that cannot be deactivated, IAB partners that must be unsubscribed from the third party website (which of course does not work), seriously?). No reason to accept this cancer, I will read about this subject elsewhere.

I stopped clicking on techcrunch links a long time ago for same reason. I am pretty sure that wall is not GDPR compliant, because the way to opt-out is not simple and straightforward.

And of course, GDPR is all about opt-in, not opt-out. The only statement that applies to opting out is 'withdrawing consent shall be as easy as granting it', which of course applies only after you've intentionally, explicitly granted opt-in consent.

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Thank you for this! As someone who spends okay amount of money on DO ($40, $15, $5, $5), the title of the post gave me a bit of a scare but your comment helped me calm back down. Thank you! I used to be with AWS before (still use their S3) but now I have switched from EC2 to DO droplets. Only thing I am missing with DO is the ability to set up ACL on the firewall itself so it can only be reached via cloudflare and th…

$140 user here. I need DO to stay online for its simplicity. I simply don’t understand AWS and I’m too scared to wreak a subnet while trying to add lambdas and API Gateways. I wouldn’t mind spending double if necessary. Also, clicking in Create Droplet then on a big « $10, xGB RAM » button is incredibly clear to me. Then I « ansible » it and it’s live. Please don’t add too many services to Digital Ocean ;)

That's another thing I liked about DO more than AWS. AWS seems too overwhelming as they have too much going on. DO is simple.

The thing I am proposing about the ACL on firewall already exists in DO - but it only exists for the droplets. I don't think it would be too hard for them to port it over for the firewall too without making things too complicated.

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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post #181

Hey folks, Cofounder of DigitalOcean here. Letting people go is always a complicated matter at any scale. Whether you are a ten person company and firing one employee or you are 500 people and firing a larger number. Wanted to address a few statements from the hackernews community here. We are not prepping the company for sale. As unfortunate as the layoffs are they were really due to two CEO changes in the past 18 m…

Hey thank you for your sincere reply. Felt touched. We use DO (not in a big way though). But it always has worked for us.

Just curious, why DO needs an outsider as ceo rather than somebody from founding team?

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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post #181

Hey folks, Cofounder of DigitalOcean here. Letting people go is always a complicated matter at any scale. Whether you are a ten person company and firing one employee or you are 500 people and firing a larger number. Wanted to address a few statements from the hackernews community here. We are not prepping the company for sale. As unfortunate as the layoffs are they were really due to two CEO changes in the past 18 m…

I’m really glad DigitalOcean exists. Ignore the haters.

There is also Scaleway.
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