Video Gaming Will Take Over • Hacker News Board

Re: Video Gaming Will Take Over

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Post by dTal » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:37 PM UTC

leksak wrote: post #182

usrusr wrote: post #150

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Something CK2-like ("sim RPG"?) had already been my hypothetical mobile game concept long before I even discovered (and immediately fell for) CK2: Macromanaging a player character that is basically just another NPC existing in a few layers of abstracted off-screen simulation, a slightly interactive story generator. Highly hypothetical of course, no way I'd ever make it a reality. For example a pirate game would have…

This reminds me of an idea, has there ever been any multi-tiered games such that, 1. Each tier is its own game, 2. The games are not independent As a simple, two-game, example. Imagine a strategy game such as Shogun (turn-based strategy). When the players kn that game start conflicts that opens up a match for FPS-type players to join. The outcome of the battle will depend on the FPS-player performance while the match…

Yes! Rowans Battle of Britain had both a flight simulator, and a high level strategic overview. It was possible to play the game entirely strategically, changing the outcome of the Battle of Britain through effective resource management (like making Germany win by focusing on airfields instead of city bombing), but for every combat encounter you could also jump into a cockpit and get your hands dirty. Truly a tour de force of atmospheric gaming.

Re: Video Gaming Will Take Over

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Post by bgeeek » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:38 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #260

Pfhreak wrote: post #6

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> FPS gaming with a keyboard and mouse isn't coming with you on your phone for the morning commute, and no amount of technology is going to change that because the main barrier is you won't want to play that game on your morning commute with a bunch of people around you, noise, and being unable to immerse yourself (even for reasons as simple as needing to remember to get off at your stop). PUBG and Fortnite are both…

> PUBG and Fortnite are both wildly popular mobile games. I see people playing them on the bus all the time. Incidentally, neither of these are an FPS. Both using (or favouring, in the case of PUBG) third person, over-the-shoulder play. However video game “genres” are kind of a mess. FPS is too broad of a label to be useful. Both CoD and Portal are “FPS” but feature wildly different pace, tone, and requirements on th…

I don't know. I think people associate FPS with the shooty part and the kill,kill,kill mentality, which, while you do this in Portal, it's not the same. It's more of a puzzler/platformer.

Re: Video Gaming Will Take Over

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Post by drchickensalad » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:40 PM UTC

Hammershaft wrote: post #115

xmonkee wrote: post #57

This analysis is completely missing out on the auteur angle of media production. Games Are Not Art (Yet). Even if they get immensely popular, they will not be as culturally relevant as movies or books. A mind like Orson Welles will never be compelled to make the Citizen Kane of games. I think at some point cookie cutter cinema like Marvel will seamlessly blend into the cultural domain of video games. Movies like that…

I would say already that the most creative minds of younger generations are almost entirely moving to the indie and middle market games industry. In 2019 I played new titles like Outer Wilds, Disco Elysium, Baba is You & Ape Out. I'm about to start playing Heavens Vault & Caves of Qud In comparison, I cannot think of a single tv show or movie that I found to be as innovative, original, or interesting as any of those…

I hope you enjoy caves of qud. Easily the best and most original and beautiful game I've played in years.

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Post by iRobbery » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 2:04 PM UTC

pattisapu wrote: post #89

All of this ignores the elephant in the room. NetHack 3.6.4 released!

or the comeback of vinyl, nice to see that purple curve going up again. :)

Re: Video Gaming Will Take Over

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Post by talles » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 2:18 PM UTC

I recently hooked up my old SNES on a CRT TV, and the input lag difference from a conventional TV and a PS4 bluetooth controller is staggering.

I can only imagine the input lag horror on cloud gaming. Maybe for a story-driven or turn-based game would be fine. Maybe.

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Post by agent008t » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 2:34 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #82

cookie_monsta wrote: post #76

There's a point that the article only brushes on that seems important. My generation (born in early 70's) was the first to really come up with access to video games pretty much as a given. We had space invaders etc in the arcades (or wherever else they could fit a cabinet), hand-held Nintendo and basic home consoles in primary school and then of course came the boom with PC, PS, X-Box and all that followed. But a lot…

I'm a tad younger than you and I'd like your opinion. I stopped caring about the gaming industry because 1) even if it's entertainment, I think the deep value is .. as a kid thing. It's not dismissive, I just think that gaming value has limits. It's a dreamy world you interact with and that fits the younger brain. As adults you'd rather master the real world more. 2) I find games today not much more original than in…

I am surprised many of my non-gaming friends/relatives, even if they do not play themselves, do not seem to be absolutely amazed by modern games. The fact that we can have such rich worlds as GTA 5, affordable to so many, run in one's living room, with such amazing graphics and overall richness, that we can control and interact with, rendered in 4k in real time! Even as a tech person I find that almost unbelievable. And all of that created in such a short period of time, too!

To me, it seems like an absolutely astonishing achievement of humanity, one of the marvels of this world. Completely mindblowing. And yet the reaction I get from a lot of people, e.g. my older relatives, but also people in their 30s and 40s, is of complete indifference - "meh, games are for kids". I struggle to understand that.

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 2:41 PM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #94

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #65

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I was surprised this generation to see that they still have disc drives in consoles. I imagine next gen they'll finally be gone.

"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."

The bandwidth is great, the ping is awful.

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Post by save_ferris » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 2:52 PM UTC

numlock86 wrote: post #189

save_ferris wrote: post #172

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This is true, but serious players and streamers play keyboard+mouse/controller. I don’t know of any famous streamers seriously playing on mobile. The options to play may be increasing, but there’s no way mobile will kill the keyboard players.

> I don’t know of any famous streamers seriously playing on mobile. The second largest streamer in Germany (I think top 20 world wide or something) regularly streams the mobile game "Clash of Clans". I've seen streams with 20k viewers and more streaming things like "Black Desert Mobile" and "Call of Duty Mobile", too.

I meant for fortnite specifically. I can totally see streamers playing mobile-first games, but streamers of the battle royale genre seem to favor PC/console.

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Post by agumonkey » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 3:22 PM UTC

dgb23 wrote: post #246

agumonkey wrote: post #82

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I'm a tad younger than you and I'd like your opinion. I stopped caring about the gaming industry because 1) even if it's entertainment, I think the deep value is .. as a kid thing. It's not dismissive, I just think that gaming value has limits. It's a dreamy world you interact with and that fits the younger brain. As adults you'd rather master the real world more. 2) I find games today not much more original than in…

> 2) I find games today not much more original than in the past, it plateau-ed somehow This can be typically said about the mainstream AAA market but much less so about indie games from small teams.

Good point, it's mostly about the mainstream market structure. Higher stakes => less risk.

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Post by viridian » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 3:24 PM UTC

brlewis wrote: post #267

p1necone wrote: post #142

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The op was specifically talking about minecraft - it has none of those dark patterns, it's just a good game. It's literally virtual building blocks (+ hack and slash combat and crafting and exploration etc). Would you have the same level of derision for kids who sink thousands of hours into playing with lego? Kids have a lot of spare time to kill.

Finding diamonds in minecraft isn't gambling mechanics?

Dig down to just above bedrock, and dig a long, level, 2x1 strip. You'll find diamonds within a few minutes. Each block destroyed this way exposes three potential diamond blocks. Finding diamonds is far more of a knowledge problem than a gambling one. Inefficient mining can make an 8 minute hunt for a diamond vein take over an hour. Also diamonds are a pretty hardy good, once you have a sword, pick, and armor, there isn't a huge reason to seek more until you consume those goods.