Firefox 72.0 • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by mikewhy » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 6:55 PM UTC

whoopdedo wrote: post #51

fishbacon wrote: post #23

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Picture in picture was a feature I didn't know I wanted all along. I often had a window open only playing a youtube video, having it be native to the browser and always on top is such a great feature.

Open in new window. Resize window. Right-click title bar, select "Always on Top". App developers spend a lot of their time making up for the poor decisions of OS developers. A good window manager would give you tabs for free, PiP (aka an always-on-top window) for free, dark mode for free. Instead OS devs go overboard in simplifying things to the point that app devs have to pay the cost of delivering what users want.

Take YouTube for example. It's difficult to resize the window so it's _just_ the video (they size things so you always see the video + title).

With a proper PiP mode, that's no longer an issue.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by mikewhy » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 6:57 PM UTC

mFixman wrote: post #214

whoopdedo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open in new window. Resize window. Right-click title bar, select "Always on Top". App developers spend a lot of their time making up for the poor decisions of OS developers. A good window manager would give you tabs for free, PiP (aka an always-on-top window) for free, dark mode for free. Instead OS devs go overboard in simplifying things to the point that app devs have to pay the cost of delivering what users want.

That's actually the issue. Most operating systems don't have the windowing capabilities of most Linux distributions. I'm stuck on a Mac, where I cannot always on top, hide the title bar, or alt-drag windows to move them.

macOS also has it's own PiP mode, which is nicer than what Chrome has. I wonder if FF is using their own implementation as well.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by digitarald » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 7:00 PM UTC

Siecje wrote: post #162

The only thing that doesn't work in Firefox is exec in the kubernetes dashboard. I have to switch to Chromium when I need to do that.

Could you file an issue here? https://webcompat.com/issues/new

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by nabergh » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 7:02 PM UTC

megous wrote: post #167

40four wrote: post #77

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I already updated to v.72 so I don't know if they changed the default, never really noticed before. But now browser.tabs.insertRelatedAfterCurrent defaults to 'true'. I agree this is expected behavior :)

That only applies when you open a tab by clicking on a link. If you do ctrl+t, you'll get new tab at the far right.

This is correct and it also applies when middle clicking a link. That's where it really matters for me.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by mderazon » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 7:10 PM UTC

Only thing keeping me in Chrome is multiple profiles

And no, Firefox containers are not the same, I cannot install two versions for 1pass - personal/private

Firefox also have true "profiles" but they are kind of a hack

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by pornel » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 7:17 PM UTC

L_Rahman wrote: post #261

I'm honestly surprised that we aren't talking about tab behavior here. Literally the only reason I keep using Chrome is that no matter how many tabs I have open, they're all visible at the top. There's visual persistence of state. On Firefox, even with the trick of reducing minimum tab width, my tabs overflow and I have to click through to get different groups of tabs. It is utterly maddening and I don't know why eve…

I'm completely opposite. I can't use Chrome once my tabs shrink down to this: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

With Firefox no matter how many tabs I have open, they all remain usable. There's also "% name" keyword search in address bar that finds open tabs, and check out Tree Style Tabs extension.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by nomadluap » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 7:21 PM UTC

_ph_ wrote: post #266

I love the Picture in Picture feature. There are too many web sites which leave you only the choice between a rather small video or full screen. With PIP I can choose the size which works best for my screen. Also, as it floats on top, it is never covered by other applications. One thing would make this even more increadible: is there a way to set the default size and position? If the PIP feature would always start in…

Or even just remember size and position between instances

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by zamadatix » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 7:39 PM UTC

mderazon wrote: post #275

Only thing keeping me in Chrome is multiple profiles And no, Firefox containers are not the same, I cannot install two versions for 1pass - personal/private Firefox also have true "profiles" but they are kind of a hack

The profiles are fine it's the lack of integrated GUI that kills it. Just need the ability to launch a different profile in a new window from an existing window and it'd be all set.

It drives me nuts because I have things in FF that can't easily be handled by containers and I have things in Chrome that can't easily be handled by profiles.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by ln_00 » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 8:02 PM UTC

Finally. The notifications popup is seriously annoying.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by School-Cotton » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 8:09 PM UTC

zamadatix wrote: post #116

School-Cotton wrote: post #83

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> After the recent missteps by Chrome (mangling the display of URLs) Me too! I'm not as bothered by software-politics as many of the commentators on here (I don't hate Facebook, and worked there for four years; I don't hate ads; I don't worry too much about trafficking and privacy...) but Chrome fucking with the URL was a bridge too far. I switched to Firefox and when Google walked back their hiding-the-URL business,…

The problem is it's impossible to separate "this changed it sucks" from "this is actually bad" since the messages are always the same. E.g. in this case you didn't even bother explaining why the new way works worse for you you just said "it changed, I left! Make note!" and I mean that's fine if that's what you actually wanted them to make note of but no company with competition is just going to keep every workflow th…

In general I prefer to use tools that show me real data rather than transforming it in “smart” ways that are poorly documented and not under my control.

If other people have different preferences, that’s fine! They can keep using Chrome.

Also, even if that weren’t true, change is a cost. It’s perfectly reasonable to complain about change as being intrinsically bad without giving any other reason.