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Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by h0l0cube »

SquareWheel wrote: post #250
cletus wrote: post #210

What many people may not realize is just how long-lived a lot of farm equipment is. There will be tractors out there still working that are 75 years old and just keep getting repaired. Obviously the manufacturers would like to sell those farmers tractors more often than that or, in the very least, generate a revenue stream from existing hardware and honestly that's what I see a lot of computing in vehicles as being:…

Your comment on GM crops is technically correct but also misleading. Most crops are already grown from hybrid seeds. For reasons of genetics, hybrid seeds cannot be reused in the next season. It's also quite a time-consuming process to reuse seeds, which makes the whole process less cost effective anyway. GM crops have not had a significant effect on this issue.

> For reasons of genetics, hybrid seeds cannot be reused in the next season.

Can you provide supporting evidence/materials to back this claim?

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by tim333 »

korabas wrote: post #8

Honest question: what would be the rationale to prevent farmers from repairing their machinery themselves instead of through the manufacturer (in this case, Deere)? To my mind, from the point of view of the "user" (i.e. the farmer), that can be seen as somewhat monopolistic. I tried to find similarities between this situation and that of Apple not letting users tamper with their hardware, but it could be argued that…

>what would be the rationale to prevent farmers from repairing their machinery themselves instead of through the manufacturer (in this case, Deere)

I recall from a previous discussion Deere's arguments include safety - some of the things are semi self driving, and emissions. I dare say that doesn't stop you tinkering with your old car which can lead to similar problems.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by metiscus »

h0l0cube wrote: post #271
SquareWheel wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment on GM crops is technically correct but also misleading. Most crops are already grown from hybrid seeds. For reasons of genetics, hybrid seeds cannot be reused in the next season. It's also quite a time-consuming process to reuse seeds, which makes the whole process less cost effective anyway. GM crops have not had a significant effect on this issue.

> For reasons of genetics, hybrid seeds cannot be reused in the next season. Can you provide supporting evidence/materials to back this claim?

Depending on the plant, you'll get either of the two species used to make the hybrid instead of the hybrid itself.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by Metacelsus »

h0l0cube wrote: post #271
SquareWheel wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment on GM crops is technically correct but also misleading. Most crops are already grown from hybrid seeds. For reasons of genetics, hybrid seeds cannot be reused in the next season. It's also quite a time-consuming process to reuse seeds, which makes the whole process less cost effective anyway. GM crops have not had a significant effect on this issue.

> For reasons of genetics, hybrid seeds cannot be reused in the next season. Can you provide supporting evidence/materials to back this claim?

Mendel's law of independent assortment.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by asdff »

closetohome wrote: post #230
cletus wrote: post #210

What many people may not realize is just how long-lived a lot of farm equipment is. There will be tractors out there still working that are 75 years old and just keep getting repaired. Obviously the manufacturers would like to sell those farmers tractors more often than that or, in the very least, generate a revenue stream from existing hardware and honestly that's what I see a lot of computing in vehicles as being:…

The search for an ongoing revenue stream is one of the most destructive forces in the tech industry. It leads to some very customer-hostile experiences.

That along with buying an entire new product for a minor gain. So what if the new car is super green? You are replacing one multiton hunk of metal and hazardous waste with a brand new multiton hunk of metal and hazardous waste, doubling your footprint of extraction of resources from the earth but netting the same utility. Or people who replace their perfectly functioning phone with a completely brand new phone to continuing to use the same exact trio of apps on a screen with darker blacks.

The most frustrating part of tech is how disposable it is by design. It's degenerate and seemingly inescapable.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by asdff »

wishinghand wrote: post #209
p1necone wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is still garbage compared to Windows and Linux though. You can take basically any x86 computer from more than a decade ago and install modern Windows or your favourite linux distribution on it and it will work (albeit potentially quite slowly depending on the hardware). Are there any good reasons why Android and iOS are so much worse in this regard?

The market will bear it. Especially in the age of subsidized phones people didn’t mind the cost as much. This may change with $1000+ flagship phones.

The breaking point is already there now that companies like Apple have a leasing plan to obscure the total cost from consumers.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

Metacelsus wrote: post #274
h0l0cube wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For reasons of genetics, hybrid seeds cannot be reused in the next season. Can you provide supporting evidence/materials to back this claim?

Mendel's law of independent assortment.

https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~mcclean/plsc431/mendel/mendel3....

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by anfilt »

tempestn wrote: post #267
anfilt wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats pretty much right. Excluding how some types of bushings work, and other similar bearing surfaces. Side note. There also air bearings which are also pretty awesome but require tight machining tolerances. They are used in the semiconductor industry for some things. Mainly because you dont want lubricant to dirty the enviroment, but the tighter tolerances also help ensure a spindle/shaft dont wobble as much.

I assume this means it's airtight and instead of a cushion of oil, it uses a cushion of (presumably compressed) air?

Yea pretty much. This video starts off with a nice demo of the concept.

https://youtu.be/sFrVdoOhu1Q

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by asdff »

takeda wrote: post #196
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Librem phones can't come soon enough.

The issue there is that you're missing the app ecosystem. Without it, why not just use a "dumb" phone?

you mean downloadable web wrappers?

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by asdff »

bshacklett wrote: post #216
azernik wrote: post #214

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This doesn't establish any precedent - it's not a law or regulation, just an expression of the opinion of an association of farmers. In the equipment market, they're effectively a consumers' rights organization (except B2B? analogies to the consumer electronics market are inaccurate). Equivalent maybe to large corporate purchasers or a Chamber of Commerce endorsing R2R. (And also, as the article notes, the national F…

Perhaps not legal precedent, but many people may feel more comfortable pushing for right to repair if they see "down to earth" farmers calling for it. The ideal is much closer to entering the mainstream now that people other than technophiles are calling for change.

Mainstream isn't fighting against right to repair, mainstream doesn't know the conversation even exists.
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