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Post by ses1984 »

pcr910303 wrote: post #218
ses1984 wrote: post #80

"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

> "I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" I'm so glad this model has a Touch Bar. I have seen numerous people who have a MBP 2016 or later which just can't use computers without the Touch Bar experience. If somebody doesn't find it useful, that's OK, but please, there are a lot of people (who doesn't loudly complain at HN) that finds the Touch Bar useful & incorporates it in one's workflow. I for myself uses my Touch…

Wouldn't normal function keys work pretty much just as well?

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jeswin »

> Inverted-T arrow keys! A millimeter of key travel!

Which is still quite poor - Thinkpads offer between 1.3 to 1.9mm of travel depending on the model. It is surprising that a $1Trillion computer hardware company cannot design the best keyboard in the world while tiny Lenovo seems to have done much better.

Why would a "pro" user care more thinness and form than the usability of the primary input mechanism?

Add: It's not merely the travel. Lenovo keyboards are so slightly concave which offer perceivably better support for finger tips. The key surface also has a rougher texture instead of being flat, smooth and glossy, which I hope more manufacturers will emulate.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by barrowclift »

schuke wrote: post #84
barrowclift wrote: post #72

Genuinely curious, why did so many developers ask for the return of the physical Escape key when you could easily re-map it to caps lock? Before this was an officially supported option, I always hated having to do big hand-shimmies every time I needed to press the escape key, which is quite often for programs like vim!

Can only speak for myself but here in China we need Caps Lock to switch between languages which is used very very often.

That's fascinating, I didn't realize that key serves multilingual support in some countries. Is that the standard configuration in China or a common setting for that key there?

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jdgiese »

bsaul wrote: post #154

I wonder how many developers purchase MBP that don't require to build iOS apps or install xcode. I realize i don't even look at other laptop makers just because i need to build iOS apps (which in theory shouldn't have any kind of relation) That's probably the textbook definition of monopolistic abuse.

Out of myself and my nine coworkers (all developers) I believe that 6 of the 10 use MPBs. We don’t build iOS apps or use Xcode. I should also note that we have a BYOD policy so.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by macintux »

insta_anon wrote: post #242

Can someone explain to me how Apple can justify only including a 720p FaceTime HD camera into the "the world’s best pro notebook"? The last iPhone that had this FaceTime camera was the 6S, released in 2015. Since the iPhone 7 (2016) the phones have had at least a 1080p FaceTime camera. Given that FaceTime / Skype calls are such a common use case and rarely anyones uses external webcams anymore, why doesn't Apple use…

A phone camera is used to capture moments you want to preserve for posterity. A laptop camera is used for conference calls and no one needs to see all my facial flaws in 4K detail.

So, no, I don’t consider this in any way to be a dealbreaker.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by dharma1 »

Looks pretty good, I think I'll wait until the new microled displays though.

The thermal design updates are welcome, that was seriously crippling previous Macbook Pros.

I'd love to know how long and what clock rate the 8-core 16" MBP can sustain multi-core workloads running at 100% core utilisation. My guess is for a minute or so at 3.5ghz+.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by rahoulb »

dashwav wrote: post #61
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

The escape key will be especially welcome by me, as I found the touchbar exceptionally hard to deal with, and I would often have to hit it three or four times to get vim to exit insert mode. I actually didn't have much trouble with the arrow keys, despite all the negative feedback I saw for them online. Hopefully this trend continues and they can iterate on this model even further.

I started using Ctrl-C instead of Escape in Vim years ago (long before the Touchbar) as it means I don't have to move my hands from the home position.

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Post by lcnmrn »

ses1984 wrote: post #80

"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

I don't understand why they don't let users remap Fn keys in System Preferences. That will pretty much replace 90% of Touch Bar use cases.

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Post by jumbopapa »

selsta wrote: post #219
karpodiem wrote: post #18

Would it materially harm a company with a trillion dollar market cap to offer a version of this without the touchbar (thus yielding a lower price), so people can afford to upgrade the soldered memory and NVMe drive? Would it also harm them to make a version that didn't have soldered memory/NVMe drive? Ultimately, this is why I switched to a Dell Latitude. Being user hostile to basic memory/disk replacement doesn't fl…

Apparently RAM and SSD are no longer soldered. https://twitter.com/axi0mX/status/1194621631856967688 Edit: Tweet deleted, info is most likely wrong.

That is speculation based off the wording they used in the description. He reached this conclusion because it said RAM/SSD were "not user accessible" and they used to say "built into the computer" - no one really knows the answer. I imagine they remain soldered.

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Post by dewey »

mstade wrote: post #251
ses1984 wrote: post #80

"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

I initially found the touchbar to mostly be a gimmick, new for the sake of being new and not really bringing anything useful to the table. A couple of years later and I'm a convert. If I had to buy a new MBP today I would definitely make sure it has a touchbar. It turns out app makers have found some nifty uses for it, like the ability to quickly mute/unmute when in conference calls, quickly changing volume/brightnes…

My problem with the TouchBar is that I'm using my laptop with an external screen 90% of the time so I'm never really getting used to it.

If the external keyboard had a TouchBar and I would start incorporating it into my workflow I can see it's use-fullness.

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