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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #261
smbowner wrote: post #153

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"With that being said, leakers are traitors and cowards, and we will find out who they are!" - POTUS Obviously this doesn't apply directly to Snowden. I would be worried about a fair trial in this type of political climate as well. I mean, it's not the US has ever inappropriately applied the judiciary to falsely imprison a man before!

The act of fleeing made it harder for himself. Had he not fled overseas and really did attempt to follow proper whisleblower procedure he would most likely be a free man today.

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Post by EpicEng »

vfc1 wrote: post #257
EpicEng wrote: post #246

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> That was just an example among many Well, it wasn't really an example at all as he's petty open about how silly he was to believe it, but ok. Rogan invites anyone on who he finds interesting. Yes, he has a proclivity to want to believe things that are a bit out there, but he challenges a lot of those "wackos" as well. He also brings on many field experts just to hear what they have to say. I think you're wrong abou…

He does have some shared responsibility for the accuracy of what gets said on his show and the guests that he invites. When he invites a guest he gives them a platform, many people hear what some of those quacks have to say and take it at face value. He should take more care in not spreading so much misinformation and ignorance to a gigantic audience, there is too much of that in the world already.

Why does he? He's not a journalist, he's a talking head. He'll challenge statements he can't get behind, but this is an opinion/entertainment show, and he's not throwing up slogans that read "fair and balanced" at every opportunity.

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Post by hannasanarion »

busterarm wrote: post #247
asveikau wrote: post #207

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If it were partisan politics I don't think we would see the continuity that we did between Bush and Obama. I think it was clear and overt during the Bush era that there were some dubious claims thrown around about "we need this to prevent another 9/11", with "this" being vague, broad, varying with the particular speaker. It was disappointing to many when Obama embraced some of these conclusions.

> If it were partisan politics I don't think we would see the continuity that we did between Bush and Obama. If it weren't partisan politics, you wouldn't be seeing roughly 15 senior officials from the NSA/CIA/FBI leaving the public sector to take jobs at CNN & MSNBC. I'm curious why most people don't find this to be deeply disturbing.

CNN and NBC are not partisan entities, contrary to Republican smears. If they have any faults, it is in how desperately they bend over backwards to maintain the appearance of nonpartisanship amidst bad-faith attacks from the right, to the point that CNN just this week hired an alt-right conspiracy theorist as a full time contributor.

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Post by mywittyname »

keiferski wrote: post #139
duxup wrote: post #111

We live in a time where the president of the United States himself questions any law that inconveniences him personally, same goes for any oversight, and he retains a great deal of support from the population and his own party. I wonder how / if it is possible to convince the public that laws and oversight are necessary for good government.

”When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.” - Richard Nixon The attitude is not a new phenomenon at all.

“You people with this phony emoluments clause”

- DJT

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Post by InvaderFizz »

jessaustin wrote: post #138
shadowgovt wrote: post #112

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That's not nearly as simple as the explanation that the public doesn't actually care about whether domestic agencies are spying on everyone. I think most Americans are in the "I have nothing to hide" line of thinking. The media won't carry a story that their numbers tell them doesn't have legs with the audience.

Forget the public, why don't elected officials themselves act more in simple self-interest? Not all of them are bankrolled by the military-industrial complex, yet not a one ever utters a peep about the trillions we spend on evil security-theater bullshit. No, killing lots of people in the Middle East does not make us safer, which anyone on any of the relevant Congressional committees could tell you. Most of them woul…

There are plenty that do. They end up making waves in the libertarian and conspiracy communities and are generally blacklisted by the mainstream press.

The two communities above are receptive to messages about government overreach and corruption, the general public seems not to care much.

I suspect this is largely because libertarians and conspiracy theorists (which do overlap to some extent) are already skeptical of government "goodness" and anything that feeds that skepticism is easily accepted. The general public places government on a higher moral plane of existence and any challenge to that is met with skepticism and excuses.

The end result is that those that speak out/expose the government are sidelined and punished through smears or government action. See: Attacks on Gabbard, Ron Paul, Snowden, Bill Binney, Assange, etc.

It always fascinated me that the discussion of the leaked Clinton emails conveniently focused on the speculative source and motivation, never on the content of the emails with valid DKIM signatures. There is literally no question that those emails are real and unaltered.

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Post by xgd »

LandR wrote: post #81
cm2187 wrote: post #63

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I doubt he is making much money doing standups in LA clubs. vs having a podcast with an audience of about 10 millions, which is more than most TV shows can claim.

His standup shows on Netflix must have made him hundreds of thousands if not million I would think.

His podcast approximately makes 50 million USD per year.

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Post by raxxorrax »

duxup wrote: post #237
raxxorrax wrote: post #228

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Evidently. What is your explanation for the success of Trump? Because he has a pretty clean alibi for not implementing mass surveillance.

>What is your explanation for the success of Trump? I'm not sure why I would have to explain that to understand what you're saying. >Because he has a pretty clean alibi for not implementing mass surveillance. I have no idea what that means in relation to the first sentence. Are you saying he wasn't a part of government during the establishment of some surveillance and that means something now? and/or Do you feel vote…

You referenced the current president as an example of someone ignoring the law, while previous administrations were responsible for implementing and extending mass surveillance consistently while ignoring the law. I said that could be part of Trumps success, because his voters had similar ideas.

Which laws did Trump break by the way?

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Post by pseudalopex »

clSTophEjUdRanu wrote: post #123
magashna wrote: post #119

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Is a man who chooses not to walk into a pointed knife a coward?

Reality winner is only serving 5 years and she showed good faith. Ellsberg won in court and served 0 years. If Snowden weren't a coward he could be there in person right now.

Ellsberg said Snowden was right to flee.[1]

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/daniel-ellsberg-nsa-...

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Post by hanklazard »

arielserafini wrote: post #217
hanklazard wrote: post #107

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Narduar is my favorite example of a master interviewer. Watch him leave Pharrell speechless multiple times (starting around the 5:15 mark is a good example). This guy does his homework better than anyone. https://youtu.be/5RKbSi87J5Q

His researching skills are indeed impressive, but I feel like he's a bit "loud" in his personality/character and that can take some attention away from the interviewee.

I'd say he's just eccentric, and takes a bit of getting used to in terms of style. also, IIRC, this interview got him some REALLY big ones (including Jay-Z, I think) because Pharrell told everyone he knew to that they had to talk with Nardwuar.

At the very least in terms of doing proper research on a subject, I think there's no one better.

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Post by puranjay »

duxup wrote: post #114
jessaustin wrote: post #108

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The simplest explanation for lots of confusing events is that the intelligence agencies have enjoyed supremacy over the government for some time already. They run the media as well: just look at the glowing plaudits for their fake "whistleblower" as contrasted with the ongoing disdain for actual whistleblowers.

Intelligence agencies "run the media"? How so?

Nothing totally proven but you might find this interesting:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

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