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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Owner of a 2015 AP1 Tesla Model S. > My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign My Model S can and it has AP1. It's very good at this. Has it ever made a mistake. Not that I'm aware and I've checked a lot. I'll see a speed limit sign and as I pass it, the speed limit sign on the drivers console will update.

AP is not capable of identifying speed limit signs. At least, modern AP cannot. To identify speed limits, Tesla AP pulls map information, which is often inaccurate outside cities.

Apparently identifying speed limit signs is AP1-only, because it relied on Mobileye's technology to do that and Tesla still haven't implemented their own replacement for that feature yet.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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I used to be a huge enthusiast, drove mr2s, z06 corvettes, a wrx, bmw 3 series, autocrossed the competitively. Driving an electric tesla made all of those cars feel utterly dumb . If you drive cross country a lot or do long track sessions, I get it, tesla won't work well, but if you don't think an enthusiast would like a tesla, give one a try.

> I used to be a huge enthusiast, drove mr2s, z06 corvettes, a wrx, bmw 3 series, autocrossed the competitively. > Driving an electric tesla made all of those cars feel utterly dumb. Why do they feel dumb? I hear this kind of stuff but I don't get it. Do you still do all the things you did with your old cars but now with your Tesla?

No throttle lag, way more torque, quiet, silent, no loss of range and no CO2 while sitting in traffic jam…

ICE just feels intolerable after.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Could be related to what mentioned here (Volkswagen explaining why it's developing its own SW): https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/09/volkswagen-audi-porsche... But really be careful how much Android you're talking about. There are some brands really using Google's automotive services; this is not our strategy. When you do this, you get a great package of function and services, no doubt. But you also have to open up a…

I think you may be confusing Android Auto with Android for Cars. The former is the mobile app and headunit-only integration (audio controls) via video stream, which requires minimal integration with the vehicle. The other is Android repurposed for headunits, with full car integration, such as Volvo's integration. Car manufacturers of luxury cars shy away from Android Auto partially because they believe it turns one o…

Then why do current Audis have perfectly fine Android Auto integration?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Owner of a 2015 AP1 Tesla Model S. > My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign My Model S can and it has AP1. It's very good at this. Has it ever made a mistake. Not that I'm aware and I've checked a lot. I'll see a speed limit sign and as I pass it, the speed limit sign on the drivers console will update.

AP is not capable of identifying speed limit signs. At least, modern AP cannot. To identify speed limits, Tesla AP pulls map information, which is often inaccurate outside cities.

Do you own a Tesla?

AP1 vs AP2 vs AP2.5 in the Tesla refers to image processing hardware and software.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Hardware_1

The AP1 includes forward looking radar by Bosch, ultrasonic detectors and a forward facing Mobileye EyeQ3 camera at the rear view mirror mount. That camera does many things including rain detection. It also detects speed limit signs.

https://www.mobileye.com/uk/fleets/technology/speed-limit-in...

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Here is what I don't understand: you paid a small fortune for your car and if this was any other car from any other manufacturer you would react like your parent comment. But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it. It is a pattern I see with nearly…

Yeah so I don't care about the blutooth because my car DRIVES ITSELF a big percent of the time. it's fundamentally changed how I view driving. Stop and Go traffic no longer makes me mad. Road trips no longer exhaust me. There's probably some issues but none that I care about. It feels like driving the future. It's an absolute joy to drive. No gas stations is pretty nice too.

> Yeah so I don't care about the blutooth because my car DRIVES ITSELF a big percent of the time.

See, this worries me. Almost all of the Model 3 owners I know tell me that not supporting bluetooth features isn't a big deal because they can safely use their phone while driving. This is completely false. When I last drove in a friend's Model 3 he had to make several manual corrections while using auto pilot on California highways; it's still not good enough for people to be messing with their phone while driving.

Please, don't use your phone while driving.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

You make good points. I just bought a Model S and the autopilot needs A LOT of work. By focusing on adding Netflix and more games, it makes it seem like Tesla does not care as much about autopilot (besides Summon).

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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CDN costs must be negligible compared to the cost of managing that.

Cloudflare is 100% free for this kind of thing. No need for a company to ever consider distribution costs again.

Cloudflare is certainly not free for distributing multi-gigabyte binary blobs. Their free bailiwick is "website content". You might fly under the radar at small scale, but any corporation is not going to get to use CF for free to handle that kind of distribution.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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I mean, alright, but a five month wait time for a repair after an accident is completely unacceptable. Just because "basic replacement parts" might not be totally accurate, the spirit of the claim absolutely is. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/bjcedf/waiting...

> I mean, alright, but a five month wait time for a repair after an accident is completely unacceptable. It sure is, but OP was implying that it's the majority when it clearly isn't. I know that was a big issue in Norway but I have not seen owners posting those complaints lately, so it might have been resolved?

In one sentence, "it clearly isn't", and in the next sentence "it was a big issue"?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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I don't know what to tell you. You are free to Google it and see that it is pretty universal that many traffic laws don't apply in private parking lots (it obviously depends on jurisdiction). That doesn't mean you can't be ticketed for driving recklessly or endangering/injuring people, it just means it is fundamentally legally different than driving on a freeway.

While the letter of many specific traffic laws may not be applicable, it does seem that the intent gets through, based on my googling of traffic law application in parking lots and structures.

When dealing with the law, it is the letter that matters. To repeat my first comment, it isn't like parking lots are lawless, but the it is a fundamentally different legal environment in which many traffic laws don't apply.
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