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Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by dougmany »

twic wrote: post #261
rorykoehler wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony of criticising entrepreneurial risk taking on HN. Especially considering thus exact approach has lead to all his successes, which are innumerable.

Leaving knowledge on the table out of arrogance is not the same thing as entrepreneurship. Although i am as surprised as you that someone on HN managed to make the distinction.

Isn't it though. Copying an existing process would not be called entrepreneurship. Sure you can have one new aspect and everything else is the same. But the fundamental driver behind entrepreneurship is the thought that there can be a better way.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by qroshan »

apexalpha wrote: post #228
arcturus17 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Charlatan-in-Chief is putting spacecraft into orbit and yet here you are in an internet forum posting a barely-reasoned critique of his work?

Let alone that it lands... If there's one thing I love about people calling Musk a 'charlatan' who build his company on 'government subsidies' and 'fairytales' it is that you can just reply with a video of a double 80m orbital booster landing vertically after putting a massive payload into orbit.

SpaceX is successful because Charlatan-In-Chief is completely hands-off and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwynne_Shotwell is making sure he stays like that.

At Tesla, he is perfectly playing the role of a Used Car Salesman. Rising price up, prices down, making false promises

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by m463 »

ducleonctor wrote: post #13

For once, mighty Amazon comes late to the show. Germany's parcel service DHL builds up a fleet of small electric delivery vans since 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StreetScooter Living in Bavaria, I see these drive around everywhere now.

I've seen frito-lay driving electric delivery trucks driving around for years as well. I do not recall the brand.

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Post by leesec »

winsome wrote: post #262
leesec wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is true if the prototype is known to be possible. It's not in the case.

What do you mean it's not known to be possible in this case?

I mean their trying to build something no ones ever built before and may be currently impossible.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by aetherspawn »

solarkraft wrote: post #250
aetherspawn wrote: post #230

I work for a company that could most definitely deliver this vision before Rivian could (this is entirely my personal opinion and not reflective of my company) due to our extensive, non-vapourware, build history. The trucks are very real and being field tested, delivering real packages to real people every day. Most don’t even realise they are electric. The price is not a niche price you may imagine; it’s very highly…

Slightly OT, I know: Does your company sell power trains to individuals? I'm shopping for one (around 50kW, perhaps sans battery) that is relatively inexpensive and can go on the road in Europe without an extra electromagnetic inspection.

Sans battery is pretty a significant change to the controller software, I think you’ll find is a difficulty when talking inexpensive.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by aetherspawn »

solarkraft wrote: post #235
aetherspawn wrote: post #230

I work for a company that could most definitely deliver this vision before Rivian could (this is entirely my personal opinion and not reflective of my company) due to our extensive, non-vapourware, build history. The trucks are very real and being field tested, delivering real packages to real people every day. Most don’t even realise they are electric. The price is not a niche price you may imagine; it’s very highly…

Why do you think Amazon went with Rivian instead of your company?

Personal opinion only;

If you are delivering vehicles today, then the technology that you have validated is (although not vapourware) older than today. And to meet people’s expectation of a cheap vehicle without operating at a loss (no VC money), there are realities imposed by cost.

Someone like Rivian with lots of VC money isn’t concerned with surviving between sales, so they can afford to take the risk of selling things that don’t exist yet, at a loss if they desire, and so their marketing department is constantly walking on water.

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Post by [deleted] »

perardi wrote: post #57

Warning: petty partisanship ahead. Our last Republican governor in Illinois spent some quality time trashing this company, which sure looks shortsighted in retrospect: https://www.adaptbn.com/home/2018/5/16/breaking-rauner-criti... He also made a point to trash all of Central Illinois as a place to do business, which is a heck of a strategy for business development. https://www.news-gazette.com/news/rauner-apologizes…

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Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by DrScump »

aetherspawn wrote: post #276
solarkraft wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think Amazon went with Rivian instead of your company?

Personal opinion only; If you are delivering vehicles today, then the technology that you have validated is (although not vapourware) older than today. And to meet people’s expectation of a cheap vehicle without operating at a loss (no VC money), there are realities imposed by cost. Someone like Rivian with lots of VC money isn’t concerned with surviving between sales, so they can afford to take the risk of selling t…

Plus, you guys drive on the wrong side of the road.

Re: Amazon orders 100K electric delivery trucks from Rivian

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Post by laurex »

cloudwalking wrote: post #122
leesec wrote: post #103

Honestly this is a good move, I just have a quick question: Does anyone anywhere have video footage of a Rivian actually being driven? Like, not in a commercial, someone genuinely driving it. I just want to know if they are anywhere close to having a production vehicle. If they have a single production vehicle that does what they say, then OK they "just" have to figure out scaling up the manufacturing. If they don't…

The Tesla truck will almost certainly beat them to mass market. Look how long it took Tesla to scale up production -- the Model S shipped in 2013. It wasn't until 2018 that Tesla built their 200,000th vehicle. Rivian hasn't yet shipped a single truck to customers; they're in for a long and difficult road ahead building out their production lines. All that said I do hope Rivian is successful. I would absolutely buy an…

Ford may come before Tesla. They have a much more developed assembly process. https://electrek.co/2019/09/02/fordl-electric-f150-market-20...

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Post by apexalpha »

qroshan wrote: post #272
apexalpha wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let alone that it lands... If there's one thing I love about people calling Musk a 'charlatan' who build his company on 'government subsidies' and 'fairytales' it is that you can just reply with a video of a double 80m orbital booster landing vertically after putting a massive payload into orbit.

SpaceX is successful because Charlatan-In-Chief is completely hands-off and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwynne_Shotwell is making sure he stays like that. At Tesla, he is perfectly playing the role of a Used Car Salesman. Rising price up, prices down, making false promises

https://youtu.be/u0-pfzKbh2k?t=25
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