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Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by russdill » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:33 AM UTC

rblion wrote: post #63

russdill wrote: post #48

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We live in an age where nearly everyone has a smartphone capable of recording video, satellites record the earth, and ground cameras record the sky. You either have to believe there is some massive conspiracy to cover the truth, or you are seeing some mundane phenomenon for which you just don't have the explanation available to you.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, people will see what they want to see. I just asked out of curiosity. I don't care to be validated as an experiencer or as a skeptic. I happen to live on this planet and saw something strange that my knowledge of nature or astronomy could not explain. I don't know what I saw, I'm gonna leave it at that. My original question has been answered, other people in this community have seen '…

Also don't forget in these accounts that every time a memory is recalled, especially when it is retold, it is malleable.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by russdill » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:35 AM UTC

rblion wrote: post #34

driverdan wrote: post #16

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> I don't know what I saw but they were not weather balloons, satellites, planes, planets, stars, or meteors. If you don't know what they were then you can't rule out these other things.

I used an astronomy app on my phone to verify the satellites, planets, stars, meteors part. They moved around in a non-linear fashion at will, they were intelligently operated. One of them disappeared in a flash...

Cool, does it tell you when and where you'll be able to see a meteor, or does it keep a record of what meteors fell and where?

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Post by godelski » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 6:07 AM UTC

RandomTisk wrote: post #153

chubbyrabbit wrote: post #147

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> This is laughably stupid. QM and nuclear science? I see nothing stupid with using quantum mechanics and nuclear science in this context. > Can we call out politicians for just throwing in words that they don't know what they mean? I'm sure they know what those words mean on a surface level. They don't really need to understand them beyond that point, it's not their job.

Me either, it's that R word making people sensitive again.

It isn't the R word, it is the Q and N words. I got my physics degree (with a focus on exotic propulsion devices) in a red state. I had plenty of Christian and Republican professors that I highly respected. I work with people that lean right that I also respect. Stop being so sensitive. Sometimes it isn't bigotry, sometimes it is in fact the other person being wrong. Stop playing the victim card here. You're just adding to the exact attitude you're complaining about.

I'll also add that I encourage calling out the left as well. I'd name some specific examples but that would completely derail the thread. But if you ask I'll mention some.

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Post by acchow » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 6:35 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #212

ComplexSystems wrote: post #182

As a mundane note, what is the reason that the audio quality in this video is so poor? It sounds like they're using walkie talkies from the 1970s. How can the US military, which spends more money than anyone else, have Navy pilots using heavily distorted audio communication systems that aren't even as good as a standard cell phone?

Practical voice comms do not require very high fidelity or resolution, so there is little reason to spend resources increasing the quality beyond the threshold of intelligibility. It works and works well. What point would an upgrade serve? They aren’t singing through it.

So that you can actually hear what the other person is saying

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Post by repolfx » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 6:46 AM UTC

typeformer wrote: post #201

jonathankoren wrote: post #99

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This is of course assuming that the purported maneuvers actually happened, and I’m not the least convinced that they are. Unfortunately I can’t find the video right now, but there was a video I watched where the guy broke down the GoFast video using the angles and speed displayed screen, and made a very convincing argument that it’s not actually moving fast, but appears to be going fast do to parallax. Instead it’s b…

Yeah that guy, he doesn't know jack squat.

No? He seemed to know his stuff very well. He also studied the other videos and showed that the data on screen didn't really match the pilot testimony and some of the apparently impossible manoeuvres matched exactly what you'd expect to see happen as the sensor rotated to avoid gimbal lock.

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Post by repolfx » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 6:50 AM UTC

cronix wrote: post #130

erik_landerholm wrote: post #108

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How do you explain the pilots who said they saw it visually for 5 minutes?

And on other radar systems within the strike carrier group. The Nimitz event was tracked on multiple systems of varying technologies, for multiple days, not just the planes. FLIR was just one piece of the puzzle, of which video was released.

Because that carrier group was testing technology that combines sensor data from all different vehicles by transmitting it between them to create a unified view. Can't recall if that was a known fact or theory, but it's an entirely plausible thing for the military to develop.

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Post by einpoklum » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 7:08 AM UTC

If ultra-advanced space aliens can hide large spacecraft from the Earth's population, and also do whatever it is they do without having a noticeable effect on Humanity, then, well - I say _let them_.

Either it's all just a collection of circumstantial mis-understandings and mis-interpretations, or at some point they'll do something we notice. Just don't worry about it.

Remember civilization is in grave danger regardless of that from global warming, running out of non-renewable resources, and last but not least nuclear war. Try to focus on making sure the aliens still have people to mess with...

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Post by krapp » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 8:21 AM UTC

whiddershins wrote: post #246

krapp wrote: post #162

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>What evidence do we have that these phenomena are strictly natural? Well... natural phenomena are the only phenomena for which evidence exists at all. That's why the Bible says faith is the evidence of things unseen, as opposed to data.

Where exactly in the Bible does it say that?

Hebrews 11:1

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Post by newnewpdro » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 8:34 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #231

nowandlater wrote: post #90

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Only once: While on an Army training exercise at Fort Irwin California, through the IR scope of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, at night (~ 9:45 PM) in the summer of 2009. I was gazing at the exhaust of a hovering black hawk when a perfectly spherical, very hot, object moved into my field of view. It was behind the helicopter, and as I followed it I realized It was rotating 360 degrees -- at an unknown distance -- around…

Two mundane phenomena to investigate: the first part sounds like an issue with optics and/or software; I assume attempting to range something involves moving optical elements. Your description does read a bit like attempting autofocus with a damaged lens system. As for diamonds, this does sound like a kaleidoscope, which again suggests broken optics.

Presumably they would have noticed broken optics at some point between that event and sharing this story today.

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Post by Isinlor » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:10 AM UTC

armitron wrote: post #230

TeMPOraL wrote: post #203

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That literally screams "sensor bug". Did no one there ever see how light behaves once you start playing with mirrors? I also wonder how much software is processing is done on raw data in real-time, because some of what I read could be explained by algorithms hitting a corner case. I mean, what's more likely? A magic propulsion system ignoring known physics, or some component in the complex sensory system of the plane…

Seen visually means they saw it with their eyes. Yes there exist "sensor bugs" in human vision but multiple observers with same report suffering from "visual sensor bugs" is probabilistically absurd. Assuming those reports are credible, which I see no immediate reason to doubt, the most plausible explanation must include technology that is far more advanced than anything we have or can imagine having today or in the…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

The evidence in this case is very weak. Someone saw something.

"must include technology that is far more advanced than anything we have"

Unless we get actual pieces of that "advanced technology", the most probable explanation is that the people got confused. The same way we all get confused about million other things; like miracles witnessed by thousands of people or cops chasing UFO that turned out to be Venus.

I will repeat - Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.