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Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Do you think they would ever monetize iMessage? Imagine making iMessage cross platform, but only available to paying iCloud Subscribers. So I could pay $10 / month for upgraded iCloud storage and get iMessage on my Android phone. I'd pay for that.

I'd love that. I have an Android phone and already pay for iCloud storage for Apple Photos even though using it with an Android Phone adds considerably friction to the process. I'll be getting rid of my Nest Camera in favour of one that supports HomeKit Secure Video next time my Nest Aware account comes up for renewal. An approach I'd like for iMessage is to make it free for anyone, but only functional if at least on…

I like that approach! Very plausible and consistent with services like Cisco WebEx and such that require one "admin license" and as many guests as possible.

I just recently switched from Android to iOS and there's a lot I miss about Android that will never come to iOS. I'd love to have that flexibility but cross-platform compatibility too.

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If only it were so easy to remap my hand! Caps lock is already dedicated to control and most apps don’t support ^[.

Ok then it you have caps remapped to ctrl, remap ctrl to escape. There are many valid criticisms of the touch bar macs, losing one key in particular is pretty low on the list.

> i[f] you have caps remapped to ctrl, remap ctrl to escape

The whole reason to remap caps lock to ctrl is that ctrl is in a terrible location.

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I'm not suggesting those were good ideas, only that they were rumors about innovative products that got a lot of attention, in part because everyone thought Apple must be up to something, because they hadn't made a big splash in a long time. Maybe the problem isn't that Apple's isn't innovating anymore, but that so many others now are as well, so innovation gets lost in the crowd. Companies like Tesla, Amazon, and Go…

Tesla - losing money Google - the only thing they are doing profitability is selling ads. Just look at Apple’s revenue split (second graph). How do you think that compares to Google? https://sixcolors.com/post/2019/07/apple-third-quarter-2019-... A “successful” product is one that you can sell for more than it costs to make. Anyone can sell dollar bills for 0.95 cents. Amazon? Yes AWS is definitely successful and inn…

Apple-focused threads on HN quickly detach from reality when it comes to Google; Google sells "just ads" like Apple sells "just silicon and plastic"

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TouchID fails because of a wet or dirty thumb. FaceID fails when your face is not fully visible.

FaceID fails when your face is not fully visible. That would be nice and simple if it were true, but it's not. Sometimes it fails when my face is fully visible. Sometimes it works when my face is not fully visible. It can work or not work with the same pair of sunglasses depending on... who knows? Maybe I'm just not smart enough to figure out the exact meaning of "fully visible."

Try retraining FaceID without glasses/headwear, when standing up and holding the phone in front of your face at similar height. Anecdotally, it adapts better to sunglasses/etc. that way.

Also when it fails with sunglasses, and ask for password the first time, immediately logging in with passport will make subsequent unlocks with sunglasses work better (presumably it marks that face adaptation as "correct").

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I have an pre-touchbar macbook pro on my desk that I've been using as an in-place workstation. For some reason, I pulled it out of its place and opened it up this past week, and I was blown away by the improved typing experience. I think that I'll be upgrading back to the old one going forward. And I promise that the next laptop I buy (or my company buys for me) won't have a touch bar or a butterfly keyboard.

Devs at our company are starting to flee to Dell/Linux. Nice keyboards, screens and 64GB of RAM.

It's bizarre to me that Apple has never understood that computers are a highly recommended product. The reason that Apple laptops are popular is that the tech crowd is highly loyal and recommends macs to all their friends, parents, grandparents, when asked. And the tech crowd provides every hardware forum in existence with lots and lots of free Apple advertising.

It was never about Apple having better marketing. It was about Apple owning tech loyalty.

When the macbook is no longer the favored dev machine, Apple is going to lose a lot of market share.

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That iPhones were less than half their revenue, while still growing overall revenue, is a positive sign. Apple has done a good job of diversifying their revenue base over the last few years. It will be interesting to see how large wearables and services can become as revenue sources, I suspect they are still quite early in their growth.

They're big on services, which would point towards some AI thing but the next step that seems relevant in this area for an Apple-like product is probably general, reliable, human-like AI which is too far off. So my bet is on AR. VR went nowhere but its tech might push AR into something usable. I can totally see Apple producing a Google Glass like device and getting it right, somehow.

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Tesla - losing money Google - the only thing they are doing profitability is selling ads. Just look at Apple’s revenue split (second graph). How do you think that compares to Google? https://sixcolors.com/post/2019/07/apple-third-quarter-2019-... A “successful” product is one that you can sell for more than it costs to make. Anyone can sell dollar bills for 0.95 cents. Amazon? Yes AWS is definitely successful and inn…

Apple-focused threads on HN quickly detach from reality when it comes to Google; Google sells "just ads" like Apple sells "just silicon and plastic"

So what other significant profit generating verticals does Google have?

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Camera tech seems to be an obvious choice. But, they could go as far out there as doing drug research. Apple is a giant multinational corporation, they could get into any market.

Drug research? Really? There is no part of Apple that is optimized for drug research. Even with the iPhone, they already had an OS that was the basis for it.

As I said, cameras or something similar would be working to their strengths. Hell, build a game console, Microsoft eventually pulled that off and Apple has a huge leg up.

But, the thing is they don’t need to be good at something. Giant companies regularly expend into new areas. Employ the right people, make some investments, and suddenly they are competitive.

I am not saying Apple should diversify like this. However, it is an option.

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How many times did steve jobs disrupt the industry?

iPod iPhone no disk drive UNIX-based OS goes mainstream first mainstream OS with a GUI iMac - making PC's 'friendly' iTunes - made it cool to pay for music again To name a few.

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