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Re: Google Cloud networking issues in us-east1

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Post by hunter2_ »

MisterPea wrote: post #249
hunter2_ wrote: post #223

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$ host news.ycombinator.com news.ycombinator.com has address 209.216.230.240 https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-209-216-230-0-1/pft?s=20... M5 Computer Security https://www.m5hosting.com Unrelated: https://begthequestion.info/

The begs the question site is one of my pet peeves. Language is not moderated by a select few who want to claim it, this isn't France. This is why Ebonics is still a valid form of English - as long as it is used consistently. If everyone uses "begs the question" and everyone else understands it as "raises the question" then it is perfectly valid.

Vernacular creates validity, for sure. The site's author acknowledges this, but nonetheless maintains that preserving this particular phrase is useful because there's not really another synonymous and popular phrase that means this particular fallacy, just the Latin petitio principii and the modern translation "laying claim to the principle" which is pretty clumsy if you ask me. Not that "begging the question" is crystal clear either, but at least it's googleable.

Re: Google Cloud networking issues in us-east1

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Post by rrdharan »

m0zg wrote: post #221
Operyl wrote: post #218

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My horribly out of date system works, therefore I should never strive to improve it or god forbid update it (since that involves “fucking with it” in ways that can break it from version to version)? That gets you technical debt and that’s not fun.

I'll tell you more. Much of the world is run by "horribly out of date" systems that nobody has touched in years _because they work_. And it all works fine. No "cloud", no Rust or Go rewrites, no Haskell, no fancy javascript frameworks or anything like that. Just boring ol' files, boring relational DBs with boring schemas, constraints and stored procedures, boring old languages, boring old hardware, boring old operati…

Curious how you would imagine handling something like GDPR or SOX compliance in this alternative world you’re proposing. You can’t magically foresee new requirements and new implied complexity for all future time.

Re: Google Cloud networking issues in us-east1

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Post by richardw »

ffk wrote: post #139
mathattack wrote: post #91

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“You should be using more than 1 region” could also be “you should be using more than one provider”, no?

This is one of the reasons things like Federated Kubernetes is being worked on. Stick a CDN in front and your compute can be migrated from cloud to cloud. You still need to do a lot of thinking about data though.

Three CDN's. And three DNS providers.

Re: Google Cloud networking issues in us-east1

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Post by richardw »

ajhurliman wrote: post #252
mehrdadn wrote: post #201

Does anybody else feel like there have been a lot of outages in recent months? And I don't mean Google -- I mean lots of others too (I seem to recall CloudFlare, Facebook, etc.)... are they really increasing or are we just hearing more about them? Seems a bit odd.

Seems like if it continues to be a problem that more multi-cloud solutions will present themselves (Terraform does that sort of thing, right?).

What do people do to mitigate DNS services from going down? Is it possible to have multiple services for that? And CDN's too as per our recent CloudFlare issues.

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Post by Thorrez »

bardworx wrote: post #213
boulos wrote: post #202

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As kyrra says below, you're in the clear if you state that this is just your opinion. Naturally, prefacing something terrible as "just your opinion" doesn't make it fine. In my case, Cloud PR knows me, but I also knowingly risk my job (I clearly believe I have good enough judgment in what I post). If Urs and Ben think I should be fired, I'm okay with that, as it would represent a significant enough difference in opin…

That’s...that’s some petty fucking shit. I didn’t go through your comments but considering your email is in your profile, someone really had to have a hard-on to report you for leaks. I would love to understand the though process of someone going out of their way to remove someone’s livelihood from them because of a comment on HN (when applied in a normal circumstance of adding additional information or correcting a…

You're assuming that the person making the report said "boulos needs to be fired!".

Maybe the person making the report said "Hey, I found some internal details on this external site. I'm not sure if this is allowed. Maybe someone who knows more should take a look at it, here's the link to the page."

Re: Google Cloud networking issues in us-east1

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Post by ithkuil »

samcday wrote: post #147
alteria wrote: post #126

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I'm curious - what are some examples of the warts you encounter?

Things like: * filtering traces by services has been broken in App Engine flex environments for more than a year. * copy/pasting identifiers between places is a nightmare * their IAM design is somehow worse than AWS. It’s so impressively bad I can’t even be mad. My favourite part of their IAM approach is how they have consolidated a majority of the IAM controls in the IAM page, but then random services like GCS have…

> > * multi-account paper cuts

Google multi account support within a single browser is a pain. It kinda works until it doesn't. I'm sidestepping this issue by using distinct chrome profiles for work and personal.

In the other hand, I've not found Amazon multi-account situation to be cozy either. IIRC you literally have to logout and login again or use assume role and the switch applies to all the open tabs.

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

akhilcacharya wrote: post #264
laluser wrote: post #257

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Another FANG = Amazon? If so, Amazon is pretty restrictive in how it wants employees to communicate about internal activities. Most people err on the side of caution and don't comment publicly.

It is - but all companies I’ve ever worked for are. I’m not convinced the letter of the policy is much different.

There are definitely major differences between the FAANGs: what was the last time you saw an Apple employee commenting on anything on HN?

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Post by ithkuil »

m0zg wrote: post #261
dodobirdlord wrote: post #237

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> 99.99% of all these outages are due to screwing up something that already works Fiber optic cables are a great technology, but they don't react well to being cut in half by a backhoe. Is the solution you are recommending that we stop using fiber optic cables, or that we stop using backhoes?

Stopping depending so much on remote datacenters unnecessarily would be a good start.

I'm a remote employee of a distributed company. Where do you suggest we deploy our code/services?

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Post by dboreham »

dodobirdlord wrote: post #237
m0zg wrote: post #215

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That's more or less inevitable. As complexity increases (which it does naturally, if there's no effort to decrease it) at some point it begins to outstrip the limits of human understanding. I've been saying this repeatedly (and downvoted for it repeatedly): if you want truly reliable systems, use simple, boring technology, and don't fuck with it after it's set up, and run it yourself. 99.99% of all these outages are…

> 99.99% of all these outages are due to screwing up something that already works Fiber optic cables are a great technology, but they don't react well to being cut in half by a backhoe. Is the solution you are recommending that we stop using fiber optic cables, or that we stop using backhoes?

I feel a sense of karmic balance on backhoe fade myself, because after running networks for decades, I now own a backhoe. So far I've managed to dig up a power cable I forgot I laid to an outbuilding, and a coax satellite dish feeder.

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Post by milesward »

boulos wrote: post #202
ricardobeat wrote: post #193

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Tangential question: does Google allow employees, not directly tasked with it, to represent the company online as they wish? Most companies I know of have a strict ‘do not speak for the company’ policy.

As kyrra says below, you're in the clear if you state that this is just your opinion. Naturally, prefacing something terrible as "just your opinion" doesn't make it fine. In my case, Cloud PR knows me, but I also knowingly risk my job (I clearly believe I have good enough judgment in what I post). If Urs and Ben think I should be fired, I'm okay with that, as it would represent a significant enough difference in opin…

Folks, seriously, boulos is fucking amazing ok?
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