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Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by misil »

tomaskafka wrote: post #261

A simple guide to choosing your browser: Does it make money by showing you ads? Chrome: Yes Brave: Yes Firefox: No If yes, then they need to track your behavior in detail. I'm sure you don't deserve to be tracked.

Firefox makes money by its search deal with Google, in other words: by funneling their users towards Google. This pretty much also boils down to "making money by showing you ads". Google's search ads, to be precise. Now you can say: "But I can turn this off", but then you'd also turn off their source of revenue.

Brave's stated goal is to establish an alternative ad-based business model that's long-term viable without the user being tracked. Will this be successful? Who knows, but at least they're trying to find a business model that respects your privacy while being long-term sustainable. Firefox's model doesn't, at least the way it works now.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by fghtr »

misil wrote: post #271
tomaskafka wrote: post #261

A simple guide to choosing your browser: Does it make money by showing you ads? Chrome: Yes Brave: Yes Firefox: No If yes, then they need to track your behavior in detail. I'm sure you don't deserve to be tracked.

Firefox makes money by its search deal with Google, in other words: by funneling their users towards Google. This pretty much also boils down to "making money by showing you ads". Google's search ads, to be precise. Now you can say: "But I can turn this off", but then you'd also turn off their source of revenue. Brave's stated goal is to establish an alternative ad-based business model that's long-term viable without…

>Firefox makes money by its search deal with Google

Of course, development costs a lot. They will not need to rely on Google in the future if more people donate to them regularly. Consider donating to Firefox.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by Galaxeblaffer »

amelius wrote: post #266
_pmf_ wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a user of Brave, I'm consciously making this decision, thank you very much. What's your idea as to how content creators should be supported?

The problem is that if you start paying content creators, then you're giving data to another party, i.e. your bank.

depends.. Brave has actually got it's own token that could be used to pay creators, not sure how the transactions are logged though but i'd imagine that you can privately pay without being tracked

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by olah_1 »

tomaskafka wrote: post #261

A simple guide to choosing your browser: Does it make money by showing you ads? Chrome: Yes Brave: Yes Firefox: No If yes, then they need to track your behavior in detail. I'm sure you don't deserve to be tracked.

For me, the guide is more like:

Does it render text in an ugly manner?

Chrome: No

Safari: No

Firefox: Yes

The unfortunate thing is that many Firefox users prefer the Firefox text rendering.

There’s no solution to fix this (I’ve researched a lot). It’s just a divide in the users based upon preferences.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by amelius »

Galaxeblaffer wrote: post #273
amelius wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that if you start paying content creators, then you're giving data to another party, i.e. your bank.

depends.. Brave has actually got it's own token that could be used to pay creators, not sure how the transactions are logged though but i'd imagine that you can privately pay without being tracked

Yes, but there's always a third party that can in theory collect all your data.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by nisa »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #234
rjf72 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This same argument is true of nearly all companies, including "not for profit." For instance the chair at Mozilla/FireFox pays himself $1.1 million a year, the treasurer $1 million. [1] And those numbers are probably higher now. That's from 2016, the most recent published data on their site. Since 2013 [2] their CEO has increased his yearly compensation by more than $300k, and the treasurer increased his pay by more…

On the flip side, what people seem to want “not for profit” to mean is “employees work for below market rate for some reason”. I don't get it. I would expect employees at a non-profit to be compensated along the same lines as those at a for-profit. It's a constant easy story for shitty journalism in the UK – "oh my god this head of a charity makes far less than the head of an equivalently–sized private company! what…

I guess it's more like how many devs could be paid a decent salary from the millions that he Mozilla "leadership" pays itself.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by Jolter »

misil wrote: post #271
tomaskafka wrote: post #261

A simple guide to choosing your browser: Does it make money by showing you ads? Chrome: Yes Brave: Yes Firefox: No If yes, then they need to track your behavior in detail. I'm sure you don't deserve to be tracked.

Firefox makes money by its search deal with Google, in other words: by funneling their users towards Google. This pretty much also boils down to "making money by showing you ads". Google's search ads, to be precise. Now you can say: "But I can turn this off", but then you'd also turn off their source of revenue. Brave's stated goal is to establish an alternative ad-based business model that's long-term viable without…

The Mozilla Foundation has multiple sources of revenue.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by mmmrk »

olah_1 wrote: post #274
tomaskafka wrote: post #261

A simple guide to choosing your browser: Does it make money by showing you ads? Chrome: Yes Brave: Yes Firefox: No If yes, then they need to track your behavior in detail. I'm sure you don't deserve to be tracked.

For me, the guide is more like: Does it render text in an ugly manner? Chrome: No Safari: No Firefox: Yes The unfortunate thing is that many Firefox users prefer the Firefox text rendering. There’s no solution to fix this (I’ve researched a lot). It’s just a divide in the users based upon preferences.

What do you mean by ugly? That GDI text rendering is used on Windows instead of DirectWrite for some font families? This can be disabled in about:config by assigning `gfx.font_rendering.cleartype_params.force_gdi_classic_for_families` an empty value. Or do you mean that there's no subpixel positioning on non-Windows/macOS? That one has no fix, except when the text rendering part of WebRender goes into production.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by Grangar »

misil wrote: post #271
tomaskafka wrote: post #261

A simple guide to choosing your browser: Does it make money by showing you ads? Chrome: Yes Brave: Yes Firefox: No If yes, then they need to track your behavior in detail. I'm sure you don't deserve to be tracked.

Firefox makes money by its search deal with Google, in other words: by funneling their users towards Google. This pretty much also boils down to "making money by showing you ads". Google's search ads, to be precise. Now you can say: "But I can turn this off", but then you'd also turn off their source of revenue. Brave's stated goal is to establish an alternative ad-based business model that's long-term viable without…

Firefox is persuing other revenue sources as well, such as a paid premium browser. My last hope against the advertising economy is this model taking off.
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