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Re: uBlock Origin 1.20

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ballenf wrote: post #263
darepublic wrote: post #253

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From a selfish POV isn't it better as an adblock user that other users don't use adblock? Then they unwittingly subsidize your pleasant ad free experience.

I get what you mean, but I wish more people used Adblock so that more sites would be forced to switch to contextual non-surveillance advertising. I'd get to support sites more while maintaining privacy. As more people switched to contextual ads, the ecosystem for it would also improve and rates would hopefully increase (for smaller sites).

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Re: uBlock Origin 1.20

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Post by novok »

flick wrote: post #269
ballenf wrote: post #263

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I get what you mean, but I wish more people used Adblock so that more sites would be forced to switch to contextual non-surveillance advertising. I'd get to support sites more while maintaining privacy. As more people switched to contextual ads, the ecosystem for it would also improve and rates would hopefully increase (for smaller sites).

What makes you think that ad blockers wouldn't also block contextual ads?

Because adblockers depend on things coming from 3rd party ad servers doing instant auctions for ads based on user profiles. They do it client side because the latencies involved vs doing it server side are far less.

With non-surveliance based ads, they can make the ads completely indistinguishable from normal content in their CMS and make it look like first party content and server side based. And since the user info will be minimal beyond an IP, it will mostly be content based vs. user based. They can even do things like podcasts & youtubes videos do with sponsorships that come with the content.

They don't do it because it doesn't make as much money as the current status quo and would require more work to integrate if it was offered.

Re: uBlock Origin 1.20

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Post by novok »

dmix wrote: post #130
drited wrote: post #129

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The end of the book 'The PayPal Wars' gives fascinating context on how development just completely dies in a corporate environment. They went from being able to roll major new features in a weekend to requiring months just to schedule a meeting to discuss a font change. It's a fascinating read when we now look back at how PayPal just stagnated under Ebay's ownership.

I’ve also long wondered what Twitter’s thousands of software developers do all day. Their product certainly hasn’t gotten any better.

I think twitter is a few thousand total employees, a fraction of that is engineers.

And a good chunk of it is maintaining & improving a large throughput backend system that is one of the top 10 in the world in terms of size and data volume.

And on top of that, an even smaller fraction is the people who think of and implement new front end things that you would interact with and think of the app changing. Like a lot of companies, it's probably a 10:1 ratio as far as backend:frontend people there are at the company.

As to why twitter changes so little, the company itself doesn't really understand why it's successful, so there is a lot of conservatism inside of it to not screw with the golden goose.

Re: uBlock Origin 1.20

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Post by pmoriarty »

jvolkman wrote: post #204
GrumpyNl wrote: post #178

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Try to watch a playlist on Youtube without a add blocker. Its insane the length and amount of commercials. A add blocker save you much more then 10 secs a day.

You can pay for a YouTube premium account which doesn't have ads.

Or you can use youtube-dl[1] to download youtube videos without ads.

[1] - https://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/

Re: uBlock Origin 1.20

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Post by tracker1 »

gbrown wrote: post #186
jannes wrote: post #135

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We should also thank Firefox for having adblockers at the time when Chrome was released. Otherwise Google wouldn't have felt the need to add an adblocker extension API in the first place. Having adblocker extensions was one of the things that allowed Google to get Firefox users to switch at the time. Ever wonder why Mobile Chrome doesn't have extensions or adblockers? Because it didn't have to compete with Firefox to…

Firefox mobile on Android with uBlock origin is currently a vastly superior experience to Chrome.

I found Firefox + uBlock almost unusable on my Pixel 2XL and use Brave. But I'm glad the options exist at all... I just wish more hardware was more open at Manufacturer End of Live (when they stop updating). So that third parties could continue support better. There's definitely a need for right to repair laws at this point.

Re: uBlock Origin 1.20

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Post by ehosca »

gbrown wrote: post #186
jannes wrote: post #135

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We should also thank Firefox for having adblockers at the time when Chrome was released. Otherwise Google wouldn't have felt the need to add an adblocker extension API in the first place. Having adblocker extensions was one of the things that allowed Google to get Firefox users to switch at the time. Ever wonder why Mobile Chrome doesn't have extensions or adblockers? Because it didn't have to compete with Firefox to…

Firefox mobile on Android with uBlock origin is currently a vastly superior experience to Chrome.

i prefer Firefox Focus

Re: uBlock Origin 1.20

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Post by leeter »

PostOnce wrote: post #41
pmoriarty wrote: post #31

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The bright side of Google's anti-ad-blocking efforts is that ad-blocking is clearly no longer just an insignificant blip on their radar. There must be enough users of ad-blockers now to start to significantly affect their bottom line. There might even be a critical mass of people who are against advertising to attempt to make some legal headway on this issue in Washington. Just as there has been legal action against…

I would think it's more likely they legislate against us, i.e. making it a crime to circumvent advertising (see: circumventing DRM).

I believe they tried, but it basically never made it out of committee as it's basically the same as banning people from using a highlighter on a book. It became very very clear that not only was it not enforceable but trying to go after the people supplying the adblocker would run into serious human rights issues.

Re: uBlock Origin 1.20

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Post by Marsymars »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #174
Marsymars wrote: post #32

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The lack of support is in the other direction - Safari doesn't support uBlock Origin anymore. The only way to block ads is with Apple's Content Blocking API, which is fundamentally not how uBlock Origin works.

Pardon my ignorance, but I installed ublock via the App Store in safari and it seems to work fine, am I mistaken? Edit: I see it’s ublock, not ublock origin. What’s the difference?

uBlock is an unmaintained fork of uBlock Origin: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-is-comp...

If it's in the App Store, it's not even a fork, it's just some piece of software using the "uBlock" name.

Re: uBlock Origin 1.20

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Post by Marsymars »

mrsmee89 wrote: post #69
Marsymars wrote: post #32

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The lack of support is in the other direction - Safari doesn't support uBlock Origin anymore. The only way to block ads is with Apple's Content Blocking API, which is fundamentally not how uBlock Origin works.

Interesting. How do they differ fundamentally?

uBlock Origin uses the WebExtension API that is common to Chromium/Firefox. Going forward, Safari for iOS/macOS will only support Apple's Content Blocking API.

Re: uBlock Origin 1.20

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Post by Marsymars »

FabHK wrote: post #206
Marsymars wrote: post #32

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The lack of support is in the other direction - Safari doesn't support uBlock Origin anymore. The only way to block ads is with Apple's Content Blocking API, which is fundamentally not how uBlock Origin works.

I'm running uBlock Origin 1.16 on Safari 12.1.1 right now, unless I'm mistaken.

Apple hasn't completed the Extension Gallery deprecation process, but it will be entirely unusable with Safari 13.
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