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A Conspiracy to Kill IE6

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Re: A Conspiracy to Kill IE6

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

sverige wrote: post #125
reaperducer wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what the term for the tech world is, but something similar seems to exist in many areas of many fields. It's one of the reasons I stopped accepting lawyers and law firms as clients. Every other client would pay on time. Those in the law field would consistently slow-pay, I believe because they knew they wouldn't get sued over it. "That overdue invoice? Oh, we never received it. Send it again." "Oh, Jenna…

As a class, lawyers and doctors are some of the cheapest people you'll ever meet. They don't want to pay full price for anything. I have tons of stories about this; one of the most egregious was a lawyer who made over a million a year and sued his mechanic to avoid paying an $800 repair job to his daughter's old VW Bug.

That's a nice anecdote. Here's mine- my orthodontist gives out a little wooden token for not breaking anything, wearing one of their t-shirts to the appointment, and answering a trivia question right. You can either return 30 tokens for a $10 gift card (great for teenagers, who always need more Amazon money, it seems), or he has this nice big box that you can put tokens in. Once the box is full, he plans a trip and goes to some third-world country to help out for a bit (generally it's his summer vacation.) He has gone on a trip for the last eight or nine years.

Maybe my population is skewed- two of the three doctors I see are Eagle Scouts, but not everyone is a cheapskate.

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Post by dralley »

tatersolid wrote: post #221
Causality1 wrote: post #135

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Something that stuck out to me was how concerned Google was that even while recommending other browsers next to Chrome, that putting Chrome first in the list could rankle antitrust regulators. Fast forward to 2019 and Windows 10 makes you fight multiple menus and "suggestions" just to switch your default browser away from Edge.

Your comment is demonstrably nonsense. Windows 10 only suggests Edge if you make IE11 your default browser. If you choose Firefox or Chrome it never suggests that you should switch to Edge. Microsoft’s lawyers are not stupid.

This is a lie. Every single time I've tried to switch a Windows 10 installation to default to Firefox, it asks about trying Edge first.

Re: A Conspiracy to Kill IE6

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Post by shpx »

mherdeg wrote: post #56
cpeterso wrote: post #10

Is this a charming story about helping users upgrade to modern web browsers or a dark parable about the influence of tech giants? Compare with ex-Firefox VP Johnathan Nightingale's recent thread about Google "amateur hour" and "oopses" that only affected Firefox: https://twitter.com/johnath/status/1116871231792455686

Is there a good catchy name for this "oops" stuff? It's very interesting, an interesting modern take on "embrace and extend" or "FUD".

I call it "Hanlon's razor"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Re: A Conspiracy to Kill IE6

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

guelo wrote: post #213
user5994461 wrote: post #180

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Win7 is end of life in 2020 in case you were not aware of that.

So? It works. I'm not upgrading my Win7 box. It's a much more user-centric OS than Win10.

How so? I'm legitimately asking- I find Windows 10's Start Menu, of all things, to be way better on win10 than win7, especially in Enterprise deployments.

Re: A Conspiracy to Kill IE6

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

eadmund wrote: post #79
behringer wrote: post #37

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There's no way this banner did anything in reality. Corporations didn't upgrade because of their tooling, not youtube. What corporation upgraded to make sure their employees could youtube harder?

I think it gave people permission to think of IE6 as outdated. It's far easier for a decisionmaker to follow the herd rather than get out in front of him ('nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft/IBM/whatever'): convince him that the herd has turned on IE and he'll gladly pitch in.

Whelp, and in this case, nobody got fired, either. Good point!

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Post by robocat »

tty2300 wrote: post #214
tracker1 wrote: post #145

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IE6 was pretty awesome when it was released... not having to support IE4.x and NN4.x when it hit sufficient market share was really nice. Eventually it became the next boat anchor. IE10-11 is the current boat anchor, and will probably cycle out within the next year. Already have internal apps with no IE support at all, and only the most recent Edge release. The perspective on outdated (insecure) browsers is becoming…

Our enterprise app (not internal) has 80% of users on IE11 :/

Ouch.

Our clients are businesses (less than 10000 employeees), and we still have 30% of userbase on Internet Explorer. We will soon be dropping IE9 and IE10 support.

I suspect that we'll be supporting IE11 for another two years or so (even considering Windows 7 expiry!).

Re: A Conspiracy to Kill IE6

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Post by asveikau »

Causality1 wrote: post #135
jrochkind1 wrote: post #2

Oh my, this is amazing. I'm not sure the engineers realized despite their secrecy, it would be noticed by the press immediately after deploy. But the best part is how Google engineers immediately on seeing it figured "oh yeah, we should do that too" (although they apparently got the necessary approvals however that was done at Google, it was easier to do because they figured "well, youtube must have done due dillegen…

Something that stuck out to me was how concerned Google was that even while recommending other browsers next to Chrome, that putting Chrome first in the list could rankle antitrust regulators. Fast forward to 2019 and Windows 10 makes you fight multiple menus and "suggestions" just to switch your default browser away from Edge.

In the timeframe the events this article take place on, the EU was insisting on a "browser choice" screen to be included in Windows 7. MS also got criticism for the random shuffle they used to determine the order of browser icons.

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Post by westoque »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #2

Oh my, this is amazing. I'm not sure the engineers realized despite their secrecy, it would be noticed by the press immediately after deploy. But the best part is how Google engineers immediately on seeing it figured "oh yeah, we should do that too" (although they apparently got the necessary approvals however that was done at Google, it was easier to do because they figured "well, youtube must have done due dillegen…

What's funny is we actually used YouTube as our "gauge" on what browsers to support. We also built the narrative that: "If YouTube doesn't work on this browser, then we will not support it"

Re: A Conspiracy to Kill IE6

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Post by nl »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #2

Oh my, this is amazing. I'm not sure the engineers realized despite their secrecy, it would be noticed by the press immediately after deploy. But the best part is how Google engineers immediately on seeing it figured "oh yeah, we should do that too" (although they apparently got the necessary approvals however that was done at Google, it was easier to do because they figured "well, youtube must have done due dillegen…

I don't know how they didn't all get fired. Like, ALL of em, including everyone who set up the special "OldTuber" priv long before.

Because this is how everything on the web used to be done. Google won the internet partly because they moved away from this first and best, but product decision making by engineering and overriding approval processes in the name of a good outcome were pretty much standard back then.

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