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Post by strainer »

pembrook wrote: post #224
bluntfang wrote: post #193

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What we do know for sure is that the animal would not have lived the same life if it weren't captive. >A free range animal that's being humanely put down by a farmer has a much more pleasant life. I don't think we can objectively say this. We have no idea what these animals want. Our humanity for these animals lives is nothing short of projection, purely because we have no idea what they want.

We can 100% objectively say this. Animals like chickens lack self awareness and the ability for future planning. They operate on instinct. We can prove this. Thus, they also don't know what they want --outside of the immediate satisfaction of an instinctual urge. They do feel pain and hunger however. In the wild, these animals suffer more pain and hunger. In free range "captivity" they suffer less. It's as simple as…

UK has relatively high livestock and animal welfare basic regulation, and in addition it has a certification scheme (that works out about 25% more expensive), run by the "Royal Society for Protection of Cruelty towards Animals". They base their standards as much as possible on academic measurements of stress and natural behaviors. One thing to note is that animals tend to get ill the more 'unhappy' their existence is - and this is argued as one of the reasons there is no need to chlorinate chickens from UK and very little food poisoning risk from fresh produce. Anyway, the RSPCA will actually certify chickens that are not able to 'free range' (these days it means ability to go outside occasionally) Their advice is it doesn't seem to be of great importance to chickens, unlike stocking density, temperature and conditions inside the barn, and even the introduction of 'toys' like beachballs which some are observed to play with. RSPCA workers are commonly regarded as genuine and professionally experienced their charge of, preventing cruelty towards animals.

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Post by evanriley »

gdsdfe wrote: post #216
colinbartlett wrote: post #192

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I find it amusing how confidently you state that. As if completely ignoring all the people who have said that same thing every year for the past 5.

So you think it will be an indefinite bull market or that the recession won't happen next year?

There obviously won't be an indefinite bull market, but why are you so confident it will happen next year?

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Post by phonypc »

martythemaniak wrote: post #8

Not a vegetarian here, but I'm really excited about companies and products in this space. There's a lot of very poor quality meat out there that can easily be substituted by these products for cost, nutrition and environmental reasons. The way I describe the Impossible Burger to friends that haven't tried it is "If I invited you to a BBQ with decent store-brand frozen patties and randomly inserted Impossible patties,…

>If I invited you to a BBQ with decent store-brand frozen patties and randomly inserted Impossible patties, you probably wouldn't notice

They're usually compared to fast-food burgers. Supermarket frozen patties might as well be legacy veggie burgers, considering they're full of soy protein and have a completely un-meatlike texture.

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Post by kenneth »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #207
EliRivers wrote: post #181

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Apropos of just shootin' the breeze, could you have also met the animal? I wonder if that would make a further difference. I eat meat, but I put my hand up and say that if I ordered a steak in a restaurant and they brought out the cow and gave me a rock, and I had to beat the cow to death with the rock myself, I think I'd change my order. I'm not trying to make any points here; just freewheeling in conversation with…

I once took a survival course and during it I had to kill a rabbit with my bare hands, skin it, process the meat, cook it, and eat it. I definitely wanted to make sure the animal suffered as little as possible, but I was in no way deterred. Most people through human history have killed their own food from time to time. It's not really a big deal.

I've caught, killed, and eaten fish before. It was certainly an interesting experience and teaches you a lot about yourself and the world to experience killing the animal you're willing to eat. I haven't done it with any bird or mammal, but do want to some day; mostly to prove to myself I'm not a hypocrite for being willing to eat meat but not kill it.

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Post by ZeroFries »

PerfectElement wrote: post #103
ZeroFries wrote: post #68

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If the animal is free from suffering, including lacking awareness of what's happening during the killing, that's as free from cruelty as you can get. If lacking life is what's cruel, then vegetarianism doesn't really solve that problem, since the animal would never be born without farming.

I don't think lacking life has ever been an argument vegetarians use. Once consciousness emerges, there is an innate desire to remain alive and to be free from suffering. Even if we could give animals a wonderful life in our current capitalist system, and then kill them without their awareness, we'd still need to justify (from a philosophical standpoint) why it would be immoral to do the same with a human animal.

I suppose that argument could be used to justify killing some hermit unbeknownst to them. Most people, however, are connected socially, and killing them would make others suffer.

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Post by seba_dos1 »

everdev wrote: post #234
pembrook wrote: post #224

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We can 100% objectively say this. Animals like chickens lack self awareness and the ability for future planning. They operate on instinct. We can prove this. Thus, they also don't know what they want --outside of the immediate satisfaction of an instinctual urge. They do feel pain and hunger however. In the wild, these animals suffer more pain and hunger. In free range "captivity" they suffer less. It's as simple as…

> Stop ascribing human-like emotions and awareness to other species. Well, take a monkey, orca, elephant, dolphin, etc. and it would be hard not to. Sure, many farm animals fall below that level, but they're not bugs either. Many mammals have some basic language, care for their young, give distress calls, migrate, find shelter, etc. which seems to indicate at least some level of future planning whether innate or not.…

> And many intelligent mammals have been seen grieving the dead or rescuing animals from danger.

Not only mammals - corvids are known to do that too.

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Post by ip26 »

daeken wrote: post #39
PerfectElement wrote: post #27

I've been vegan for 15 years, and I've tried all sorts of veggie burgers and mock meats available. Some of them are good, but pretty easy to tell they are not meat. When I first had the Beyond Burger last year (just plain with 2 thin slices of bread) it brought back a very strong memory of how meat used to taste. I wonder if most meat eaters would be able to tell it's not meat on a blind test. I'm curious to try the…

As a meat eater, I've had mixed results with Beyond Burger and the Impossible Burger. With real meat, it's pretty hard to mess up a burger; if it's anywhere from medium rare to medium well, it's still going to be a pretty tasty burger. The current burger substitutes require a much more narrow window before they just don't taste very good. That said, I'm extremely bullish on these; they're already great and they're on…

With real meat, it's pretty hard to mess up a burger; if it's anywhere from medium rare to medium well, it's still going to be a pretty tasty burger

I must have high burger standards. One of the reasons I don't cook them often is all the work it takes to make sure they turn out well. Right thickness, right meat, narrow temperature range, cast iron... most home made burgers, including backyard grilled, are so dry & bland you can't eat them without lots of ketchup/mustard/BBQ.

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Post by sf_rob »

giornogiovanna wrote: post #259
sridca wrote: post #244

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HN has increasingly gotten vegetarian/ vegan, so posting articles like this get downvoted en masse. Here's one more: http://meatheals.com/

Firstly, that's ridiculous, vegetarians are definitely a minority on HN. And secondly, that's ridiculous, the people on that website are attributing all kinds of unrelated things to a "carnivore diet". Are you seriously trying to suggest that it's a cure-all?

If they find this compelling then I have some Doterra to heal their telomeres.

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Post by cm2012 »

telesilla wrote: post #199
PerfectElement wrote: post #27

I've been vegan for 15 years, and I've tried all sorts of veggie burgers and mock meats available. Some of them are good, but pretty easy to tell they are not meat. When I first had the Beyond Burger last year (just plain with 2 thin slices of bread) it brought back a very strong memory of how meat used to taste. I wonder if most meat eaters would be able to tell it's not meat on a blind test. I'm curious to try the…

Long-term pescatarian here: the beyond burger is to me the most delicious of all "i'm not meat and never will be" fake meat products. The impossible burger on the other hand disturbed me: I tried it twice at 2 different locations in NYC to make sure, and both times I felt like I had meat. I still remember the smell of the blood-like heme. I did not enjoy it. I'm not sure the impossible burger is a good idea for vegan…

I love meat, but don't like it rare. When I got the impossible burger at white castle it tasted too rare for me to enjoy. A bit too authentic!

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Post by tracker1 »

daeken wrote: post #39
PerfectElement wrote: post #27

I've been vegan for 15 years, and I've tried all sorts of veggie burgers and mock meats available. Some of them are good, but pretty easy to tell they are not meat. When I first had the Beyond Burger last year (just plain with 2 thin slices of bread) it brought back a very strong memory of how meat used to taste. I wonder if most meat eaters would be able to tell it's not meat on a blind test. I'm curious to try the…

As a meat eater, I've had mixed results with Beyond Burger and the Impossible Burger. With real meat, it's pretty hard to mess up a burger; if it's anywhere from medium rare to medium well, it's still going to be a pretty tasty burger. The current burger substitutes require a much more narrow window before they just don't taste very good. That said, I'm extremely bullish on these; they're already great and they're on…

I am happy to see a bit more options out there. I do wish the pricing were better. It seems a bit silly to me that meat replacements actually cost MORE than the meat they are replacing. I don't know how efficient the process of extracting protein from soy or peas is, but it should be better than actually raising, butchering and distributing meat if we're to use it as a replacement.

I'm allergic to legumes though, so will continue to consume fish, eggs and meat.

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