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Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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Why is no one asking the biggest question; why are people piling into cities when there are towns and smaller cities that could be developed instead and thereby lower cost of living. It’s a global phenomenon it seems, as much as it doesn’t make any sense regardless. Please save yourself the quality of life arguments. Those are post hoc arguments that only express laziness. What state governments should be doing is “r…

Because the migration to cities has been a large proportion of the increase in productivity over the last few centuries. It is more efficient to have urbanised populations. Rural life is already over-subsidized by urban centers.

I wonder if remote work opportunities could become significant enough to slow this trend and make more people prefer smaller/quieter towns to the big city life while still holding jobs for big industries.

Does anyone happen to know if this effect is/can be a thing or do remote workers still flock to big cities anyway? I imagine this could eventually lead to lower rents in cities (but also lower salaries due to increased competition in cheaper places)

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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Why is no one asking the biggest question; why are people piling into cities when there are towns and smaller cities that could be developed instead and thereby lower cost of living. It’s a global phenomenon it seems, as much as it doesn’t make any sense regardless. Please save yourself the quality of life arguments. Those are post hoc arguments that only express laziness. What state governments should be doing is “r…

>In the USA that should look like heavily taxing Silicon Valley and NYC, etc and using that money to fund high speed Internet and education and companies and business centers in under developed regions like rural Alabama or Mississippi or North Dakota.

Great Idea. But politically impossible.

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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post #157

Barcelona has really good urban planning ideas that I wish New York would take a look at. It feels like we're a decade behind them.

I think people in Barcelona may want to differ, rent prices have increased a lot due to tourism and expats flocking to Barcelona, while salaries for people outside the tech bubble are almost the same. All these articles featuring all the good things that Barcelona is doing are just marketing...

Tech salaries aren't great here. They are going up but still low compared to rent costs.

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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In Amsterdam, any property that has been empty for over a year can be legally squatted, and once in, legal squatters may be hard to get out. For this reason, landlords tend to rent out their empty properties cheaply as "anti-kraak" (anti-squat), on the condition that the tenant moves out when the landlord needs the property again. This is quite popular for students because you often get a ridiculous amount of space f…

In the uk to get round this sort of tax its common for buildings to have their roof removed.

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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Why is no one asking the biggest question; why are people piling into cities when there are towns and smaller cities that could be developed instead and thereby lower cost of living. It’s a global phenomenon it seems, as much as it doesn’t make any sense regardless. Please save yourself the quality of life arguments. Those are post hoc arguments that only express laziness. What state governments should be doing is “r…

There are things you can do in larger cities that you can't do in smaller ones. The small-ish city I live in, for instance, has ~145k people in its metro area. There are exactly 5 restaurants that are worth going to; there was not a single sushi place until last year; the best bakery in town is -- of all places -- Aldi, a discount chain; and there is exactly one movie theater that periodically shows foreign movies.

The other big problem is getting to work. I'm lucky to have a remote career. If that was not the case I'd almost certainly need to commute 2-3h/day to the nearest big city.

From a business standpoint it also makes sense to go to where the action is: startups flock to SF because it's full of VC money, talent, and startup-friendly customers. Given this, the tax rate is just a cost of doing business. You almost certainly want an office in that area if you're intent on raising VC money.

As to the State level problems you describe, the US doesn't work like the EU. Part of the EU budget gets poured into its poorer countries and regions. The US equivalent would be to pour federal money into poorer states and counties. I'm not aware of any such direct cash infusions occurring, nor can I imagine any occurring in today's polarized environment. What seems much more likely, is states doing this work within themselves. Also, ND seems to be doing fine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_countie...

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The statistics show that Barcelona (and Madrid) are at a historical minimum of empty houses available, yet the spanish population is migrating from smaller cities to the big ones Sources, please?

The historical minimum seems to check out, only 1.52% of houses are empty (13k compared to 80k in 2011): https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3299445/0/barcelona-detecta... Also, less than 500 in 237657 were illegal touristic lodgings, so it seems Airbnb and such can't be blamed either.

Short-term lets don't have to contravene current regulations to cause a residential housing crisis.

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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Spain's government is simply trying to hide the fact that it is the #1 problem in the Spanish economy. [after the 2008 recession, economic researchers at Univerisidad Rey Juan Carlos in Madrid put out an analysis of the government's investments in alternative energy, which had been lavish. Results: every alternative energy job created resulted in 2.2 jobs lost in the rest of the economy. The average alternative energy job cost the taxpayer $800,000. Each job in the wind industry cost the taxpayer $1.4 million. The subsidies for photovoltaic installations were such that people would buy a solar panel, which would then qualify them for getting "net metering". They would then buy a gas generator and drive the meter backwards, and make enough money to pay for the generator, gasoline, the disconnected solar panel, and a tidy profit.

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, so every word of your post is probably wrong. Do you not see the problem with the most upvoted and seemingly informative comment on the thread being, at the very least, 20-30 years out of date?

Not wrong and not 30 years but 9 years out of date. I still think its noteworthy, that Amsterdam had such a rule for a long time until very recently. It shows that there are precedents for how to deal with empty buildings.

I think its noteworthy, but in the opposite manner. Amsterdam tried such a rule and then got rid of it. What do the Dutch know about the costs of this rule that isn't in this conversation?

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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Spain's government is simply trying to hide the fact that it is the #1 problem in the Spanish economy. [after the 2008 recession, economic researchers at Univerisidad Rey Juan Carlos in Madrid put out an analysis of the government's investments in alternative energy, which had been lavish. Results: every alternative energy job created resulted in 2.2 jobs lost in the rest of the economy. The average alternative energ…

My google-fu is failing me. Do you happen to have a link to the study mentioned? Its findings seems very interesting.
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