This shows utter incompetence and detachment from reality by European legislators. Maybe it seemed like good idea in theory but the only practical significant impact is that browsing the web has become more annoying. Surely there are solutions that don't require a popup on every webpage you visit? For example enforcing no tracking by default for advertising purposes?
I installed a plugin in firefox that just autoclicks "yes" or closes (no clue which) either way it makes the web much less annoying.
Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
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Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
So this is a bad rule, because enforcing it will result in eliminating independent small sites which have no other means for financing themseves than ads.
Advertising doesn't require recording detailed profiles of individuals without their consent. Think of magazines, billboards, television, radio, etc.
In case of the advertising availabe for small sites with a handful of staff (ad networks) untargeted ads pay much less (even 50% less or more) and that revenue may not be enough to keep the sites operational.
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#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
So websites are supposed to just absorb the cost? That seems like a ridiculous stance.
> So websites are supposed to just absorb the cost? That seems like a ridiculous stance. The €0.00002 it took to serve that one page just because the user doesn't want to consent to cookie placement/tracking? Is it really that harmful? NPR seems to do this just fine for GDPR reasons: Decline and Visit Plain Text Site
The cost to serve the page is a misleading number to use. You also have to factor in the cost to create the content, manage the service, etc.
I mean, by your argument, all digital goods should be free, since it never costs much to transmit the bits.
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which doesn’t mean they have to provide access for free, they are most likely allowed to ask a fee for that. From the same website you link [1]: “Does anyone refuse tracking cookies? Then you still need to give this person access to your website or app, for example after payment.” (google translated) [1]: https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/nl/onderwerpen/interne...
And how does one track if payment has been made without using a cookie?
From cameron90 above:
Shopping baskets, load balancer cookies and login tokens are fine (provided you only use them for those purposes!).
Third party advertising tracking cookies are absolutely not (without consent).
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm, there are features that one literally can't provide without state (cookies). I think the real problem here is that the technical feature of cookies providing browser state is a poor proxy for what EU/DPA _really_ wants to regulate, which is privacy-related tracking. There are tons of sites I've written which use cookies, but have no ads and perform no user-tracking whatsoever, not even Google Analytics. It is tr…
"Hmm, there are features that one literally can't provide without state (cookies)." Silent cookies aren't completely banned by the GDPR/cookie laws, only cookies that aren't necessary to provide the service requested by the user. That's sort of vague, but I think mostly obvious what is intended there. It's pretty easy to operate within the spirit and letter of the law: Shopping baskets, load balancer cookies and logi…
Meanwhile, even though the _only_ user-tracking we do where I work is Google Analytics (no advertising features) (and you say your lawyers say you don't need consent for that) -- the official word on high where I work is all our websites need the stupid "i consent to cookies" banner if we use cookies.
So, yeah, it's a mess. These "extra" warnings are contributing to user fatigue, I agree with troy hunt that users are just gonna ignore them all. I also understand why a small organization can say "Well, I don't really understand if we need it or not, the lowest risk thing to do is just to supply it." And there's no law _preventing_ you from supplying an unnecessary pointless cookie warning banner...
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#276Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#277This shows utter incompetence and detachment from reality by European legislators. Maybe it seemed like good idea in theory but the only practical significant impact is that browsing the web has become more annoying. Surely there are solutions that don't require a popup on every webpage you visit? For example enforcing no tracking by default for advertising purposes?
How do you remember that a customer has responded to a popup if you don't give them a cookie? Even a cookie as a session identifier.
If they say yes, you store a cookie that says they said they accept cookies. If they say no, you keep asking them.
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
I installed a plugin in firefox that just autoclicks "yes" or closes (no clue which) either way it makes the web much less annoying.
This one? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-a...
yeah pretty sure it's that one. It works as advertised so far, basically restored the web back to how it used to be pre cookie spam.
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, they're supposed to serve generic, non-tracking ads. Non-targeted, or whatever the terminology is. It's hilarious how everyone has just forgotten that used to be a thing. The people on this website are literally the problem, you can't even conceive of a website that doesn't track every click you make across the whole internet, and you guys are the people building the new web.
It’s not possible to do a lot of normal web stuff without session cookies.
Which is irrelevant, because session cookies don't need a warning. There is no reason to equivocate session cookies with tracking cookies.
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#280It's the result of government interference everyone around here loves so much.