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Post by dehrmann »

zanny wrote: post #246
dehrmann wrote: post #203

When in doubt, racketeer. I've been annoyed by how Google uses Adwords for a while; suppose you're company in a competitive, undifferentiated space. I just searched for "enterprise rental cars," and the first thing below the search box, an ad, was for getaround.com. The second was an ad for Enterprise, the third was the organic result for Enterprise. Google is effectively telling these companies "You wouldn't want so…

google.com isn't a public place, it also isn't a particularly valuable plot of "land" aside the private goliath built upon it. The fact people go to Google gives them their power to extort business for ranking. But thats because Google remains valuable - people use it because it works, or at least because of inertia that nothing is remotely better yet, and so long as people still value the search companies can do the…

I'm aware of free speech in privately owned "public places" (usually shopping centers) in some jurisdictions (California), but I didn't think that applied to racketeering.

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Post by CydeWeys »

notyourwork wrote: post #236
derimagia wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure I understand the point here, you're comparing subdomains to TLDs?

Yes because not everyone understands x.y.z and y.x are not owned by same person.

In this particular instance at least, .dev is targeting developers, who do tend to know these things.

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Post by Kaspar0v »

byuu wrote: post #199
Drdrdrq wrote: post #23

> You can purchase an SSL certificate through one of our web partners or a Certificate Authority. Read this article to learn more. Really? No mention of Lets Encrypt? Does anyone still buy certificates nowadays, especially for dev sites?

I buy them. I don't like paying for them, but I want a certificate I know will just work for years without having to run certbot or one of its clones on my server. Well, that and LE didn't yet allow wildcard certs when I bought mine. They've already dropped their maximum validity from three to two years though, so I'll probably throw in the towel when they further reduce their validity to less than six months.

A certificate that last for years... That's exactly how you end up with a certificate that expired and no one realized. An automated process is a way more reliable.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by [deleted] »

CydeWeys wrote: post #254
willmadden wrote: post #195

Alphabet has too much cash. They have a well established track record of enthusiastically backing exciting new projects way outside of their core competency just to dump them like hot garbage several years later. They also compete in random new industries each time this happens. It doesn't seem like a smart move to lease a domain from a politically active mega-monopoly that might decide to randomly become your compet…

Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…

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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by CydeWeys »

tedmiston wrote: post #123
jasonbarone wrote: post #93

Does anyone know how the “premium” renewal prices are set and governed? I’m going through this right now with .app domains (also owned by Google). Apparently domains categorized as “premium” have a much higher yearly pricing, and how it’s priced is not specified anywhere on the registry website. I called a few registrars and they said that the premium pricing is set by the registry. What’s concerning is that the regi…

Are you saying the registry can arbitrarily change the .app domain renewal price without control, or that they can charge a different renewal price for different .app domains? I've experienced weird price fluctuations with .io domain renewals in the past, but haven't owned one in a few years.

.io is a ccTLD. They aren't bound by the same kinds of rules that gTLD operators are.

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Post by bfdm »

andrepew wrote: post #231
vtange wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was this one guy who lost a valuable Twitter handle due to him using his custom domain email (via GoDaddy) as a login email.[0] I'd like to think imagine Google is better than GoDaddy when it comes to security and fighting social-engineering attacks but who knows. But if Google is a weak link wouldn't that also mean all our gmails are not as safe as we think? [0] https://medium.com/@N/how-i-lost-my-50-000-twitt…

I'd say Google would be one of the most resistant organizations to social engineering by virtue of the fact that you can never really talk to an actual human even if you are a legit user and want help on an issue.

The ultimate "it's a feature, not a bug!" case.

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee »

byuu wrote: post #253
eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you like .dev so much instead of .test, why not use something like subdomain.[public-domain].dev.com for all of your dev use? It seems silly to continue using .dev, especially when this will now be a public and commonly used TLD. So now, if you're modifying .dev records for a local/private network, and then you or someone on that network attempts to go to a public website that is using the .dev TLD, it might not w…

I guess I just don't like multi-billion dollar companies coming in and dictating that I change my workflow for their cash grabs.

Who bought it is irrelevant. It could have been released to the public in a similar way to .com and the same issue would remain.

The .dev TLD was never reserved for your dev use. If you had been doing it correctly and following the RFC, you wouldn’t have to change anything with your workflow.

Now, if they ever release .test for public use then I’ll grab my pitchfork with you.

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Post by oftenwrong »

byuu wrote: post #253
eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you like .dev so much instead of .test, why not use something like subdomain.[public-domain].dev.com for all of your dev use? It seems silly to continue using .dev, especially when this will now be a public and commonly used TLD. So now, if you're modifying .dev records for a local/private network, and then you or someone on that network attempts to go to a public website that is using the .dev TLD, it might not w…

I guess I just don't like multi-billion dollar companies coming in and dictating that I change my workflow for their cash grabs.

Then you should not have built your workflow on a non-reserved TLD.

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Post by [deleted] »

CydeWeys wrote: post #254
willmadden wrote: post #195

Alphabet has too much cash. They have a well established track record of enthusiastically backing exciting new projects way outside of their core competency just to dump them like hot garbage several years later. They also compete in random new industries each time this happens. It doesn't seem like a smart move to lease a domain from a politically active mega-monopoly that might decide to randomly become your compet…

Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…

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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by skybrian »

catern wrote: post #114

This "early-access" price which decreases over time is an approximation of a Dutch auction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_auction Dutch auctions are incentive-compatible - they allocate the resource to the person that gains the highest utility for having it. Maybe Google got some of the people working on ads auctions to design this pricing structure.

This assumes bidders have similar amounts of money to spend on domains, which may or may not true for any particular domain.

We can say that, when bidders do have similar bankrolls, whoever wants the domain the most is likely to buy it first. If they don't, whoever has the bigger bankroll will probably be able to buy it first.

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