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Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by mistermann »

intopieces wrote: post #118
mistermann wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What direct, trustworthy evidence is there of Russia political interference? Not a criminal charge, but the most convincing evidence ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...

> First, the Internet Research Agency "troll farm", based in Saint Petersburg, created hundreds of social media accounts impersonating Americans supporting radical groups, planning and promoting rallies, and reaching millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017.

Is there any proof for this claim? Writing it on a piece of paper or web page is not proof.

Was the proof perhaps IP addresses?

I don't think I've ever had anyone even try to answer this question.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by mistermann »

chillacy wrote: post #257
mistermann wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What direct, trustworthy evidence is there of Russia political interference? Not a criminal charge, but the most convincing evidence ?

Depending on how you define "direct" and "trustworthy", you may never find evidence meeting your threshold. Some people lack "direct, trustworthy" evidence for the holocaust, after all. Anything which we don't experience directly (which is a lot of knowledge) we'll have to get from other sources.

Sure, but you could link hundreds of photographs, testimonials from victims, etc

This question is more interesting, no one even tries to provide evidence. They'll link to the judgement, but what evidence was the judgement based on?

If someone knew what the underlying evidence was, surely someone would say it, wouldn't they? Yet I've never had a single person provide that evidence, or stop and say "hmmmm, that's a good question".

I wonder if it's another one of these deals:

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/06/lie-after-lie-what-colin...

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by flanbiscuit »

Quequau wrote: post #59

I think calling what's going on a "user uprising" is a wild exaggeration. This is some users who are predisposed to whinge about this sort of topic seizing the chance to do so and a bunch of other users jumping on the bandwagon.

Going through my personal feed or /r/all it seems like nothing even happened. How quickly it evaporated

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by yourbandsucks »

pfisch wrote: post #26
Cypher wrote: post #4

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Because the media says so. But they forget China increased their quality of life for the last 2 decades by producing cheap products like their iphones.

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Genocide requires intent.

Kind of disrespectful to the dead to use them as pawns for an argument IMO.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by a1369209993 »

hopler wrote: post #126
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #116

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If the hands-off approach coincides with the site's "boom years", then an alternative view is that it was, in fact, a huge benefit.

The more work I do, the more trash I generate. That doesn't make the trash the reason for my success, and doesn't earn the trash an honored central place at my table.

But it does mean that banning people for generating trash is a fucking terrible idea. If you aren't willing to bear the drawbacks of free speech then you aren't going to get the benefits of it either. Unfortunately, civil rights, like more concrete infrastructure, are a investment you can pillage in the short term and not see the consequences until later.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by yourbandsucks »

learc83 wrote: post #253
boron1006 wrote: post #125

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Using that logic, the CIA and almost every company in existence is functionally equivalent. This is just sloppy thinking. You have to show evidence for your opinions. In this particular instance, do you have any specific evidence?

I don't generally feel the need provide decades of historical context in a 2 line forum post. If you lack that context, feel free to ignore my comment and do some research.

You're clearly missing a bit of nuance on the context if you call tencent the same thing as the Chinese government.

You think the CCP would be making investments into foreign social networks that they block? I It makes no sense. There's limited leverage over Reddit for the same reason. Anyone accessing them from China does it over VPN anyways.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by asdff »

nanokilo wrote: post #232
itgoon wrote: post #92

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Hundreds, thousands even. They don't show up on HN, they aren't doing anything glamorous or cutting edge. Just small to mid-size businesses building and selling products that people use. If you haven't found any, it's because you haven't looked in the right places.

That’s true, but do you have any examples that you can share with us? I’d be curious to read more about these companies and how they got to where they are.

Look at any business in your town that you haven't read a headline for, and it is probably a private company where the CEO/founder/boss just keeps the ship upright and the staff paid.

One of my friends growing up had a family business like this, it was a company that, from what I gleamed, just melted different grades of steel and rolled it back up according to customer specifications. His grandpa started it, and his dad runs the day to day. It has a staff of maybe 50 people in the whole factory so everyone knows each others family pretty well.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by asdff »

analyst74 wrote: post #127

How would tencent owning a minor stake in reddit allow it to censor the site? Or is this outrage mostly because tencent is a Chinese firm? I mean, censorship only works if you have the government backing you, are people legitimately fear the US government is going to bow down to a Chinese company?

There was a very similar reaction years ago when Conde Nast bought reddit about how things would now be censored by the corporate overlord and the platform would be inundated by ads and sponsored posts pushed to the top just like what happened with Digg. It never happened and the outrage came to pass.

As an aside: how does reddit look like a good investment for tencent? The size of the site alone? I bet 9/10 reddit users use an adblocker, and even top top comments and posts from massive subreddits might only be guilded a couple times.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by learc83 »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #276
learc83 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't generally feel the need provide decades of historical context in a 2 line forum post. If you lack that context, feel free to ignore my comment and do some research.

You're clearly missing a bit of nuance on the context if you call tencent the same thing as the Chinese government. You think the CCP would be making investments into foreign social networks that they block? I It makes no sense. There's limited leverage over Reddit for the same reason. Anyone accessing them from China does it over VPN anyways.

>You think the CCP would be making investments into foreign social networks that they block?

No, that's why they are allowing Tencent to do it for them.

You think this deal doesn't have CCP approval? Tencent has an executive Party Committee who's explicit purpose is to make sure the company is advancing the Party's goals.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by asdff »

antiterra wrote: post #72
rospaya wrote: post #50

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Ah, so you're one of the people that makes reading older threads on reddit a pain. Hope you know you directly made my internet experience worse.

This reads as passive-aggressive and incredibly self-centered. People don’t owe you their content, and it should be understandable that someone might want to remove their posts from a site that they no longer support. If it’s the rewritten text that bothers you, that’s just the unfortunate consequence of sites that scrape reddit live.

It is pretty annoying when you find that thread with the exact knowledge to solve that exact question you've been struggling with only to find that everything has been wiped from the record. It harkens back to "BANDWIDTH EXCEEDED" messages that crippled the usefulness of old forum threads. It doesn't even benefit whoever deleted the comment, it isn't all that difficult to find a cached version of the site with the comment. If we value internet discussion as something beyond just spouting into the void, and as something useful to other people, then we wouldn't be erasing public facing comments after the fact like an anti-intellectual despot.
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